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FRIDAY, JULY 25, 2008 4:07 PM IST
In the last week of July, I got an unexpected call.
It was from Krishna Kumar, director of the Indian Institute of Management in Kozhikode (IIM-K). And he wanted peace with me.
For the last three years, I have had an uneasy relationship with the directors of the three younger IIMs (Kozhikode, Indore and Lucknow) because of the annual survey of business schools that we do.
These three directors were appointed after the change in the search committee structure because of which the government had a decisive role in their appointments. Probably they didn’t want their track record to be blemished by bad rankings of their institutes. In spite of their IIM tag, their location has been an impediment in their transition from a teaching college to an integrated institute.
In 2005, they coaxed the other three IIMs not to participate in the B-school surveys. Last year and also this year, I used the Right to Information (RTI) Act for extracting information from them although IIM Ahmedabad (IIM-A) and IIM Bangalore (IIM-B) voluntarily participated.
Sensing that it’s difficult to duck the RTI bouncer, Kumar called me. He wanted me to come to his campus, see for myself the developments in his institute and not use the law for the survey.
I readily accepted his invitation.
There is no direct flight from Delhi to Kozhikode. The only Indian Airlines flight goes via Mumbai and it takes six hours. After the usual delay, the flight finally landed in Kozhikode. Also known as Calicut, it is a historic city where Vasco da Gama first landed more than 500 years ago.
The newly built airport is very impressive, much better and spacious than the one in Delhi. From the airport, it is a 45-minute drive to the IIM-K, which is located at Kunnamangalam, a small town famous for a large number of small, green hills. Situated on two hillocks, the institute is a great place for nature lovers. The lush greenery, the clear air and the view of the sea make it an ideal retreat. Had the government set up a resort there instead of an IIM, it would have been an instant success.
Problems galore
Kumar explained to me the difficulty he and his predecessor had in building the campus due to the difficult hilly terrain, landslides and so on.
The major problem, though, is getting faculty. About 70% of the faculty pool consists of visiting faculty. Now they have 27 permanent faculty members. The attrition rate is high; in last two years, 13 members have left. Besides the low salary, the lack of good schools for the children and limited work options for the spouse are major deterrents to good faculty joining the institute. Even the director’s family has opted to stay back in their home town Lucknow.
Strong industry-institute interface, which is important for the growth of faculty and the learning experience of students, is missing as there is no industry around. Their data of corporate visitors, management development programmes, industry projects and case studies developed is much worse than some of the second-rung business schools.
Unlike Stanford University, which gifted Silicon Valley to the world, in India we don’t see any B-school acting as a catalyst in developing industry around it. It has mostly been the other way around.
IIM-A was supported in the initial years by the textile and pharmaceutical industry of Gujarat, which is reflected in the cases developed by the institute. With the decline in industry in West Bengal, IIM Calcutta suffered. IIM-B, which was initially associated mostly with the public sector, later benefited from the industrialization of Bangalore.
Instead of an IIM, had the government set up a rural management, agribusiness or a social service institute such as the Xavier Institute of Social Service (XISS), it would have benefited all the stakeholders. In fact, the best activities of IIM-K, such as training Dalit students of nearby areas in soft skills, are in the social sector, which an institute such as XISS would have done much more efficiently and ­economically.
Remote help
The taxpayer’s money will be put to better use if the seven new IIMs that the Prime Minister has recently declared are set up near industry hubs. Setting up a B-school in a remote place helps nobody except the contractors of that area. It’s not like an industry which will suddenly generate jobs in the area. Even local students are not benefited, as admission is only on the basis of merit.
Finally, my interaction with faculty members and students confirmed what one former director of IIM-K told me: “Setting an IIM in a place so far away from industry is a mistake. Setting the same campus in Cochin would have been a relatively better idea.”
Now the government is all set to repeat the mistake by starting a campus in Shillong.
Premchand Palety is director of Centre for Forecasting & Research (C-fore) in New Delhi, from where he keeps a close eye on India’s business schools. Comments are welcome at businesscase@livemint.com
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Revant Said:


It seems the writer has a grudge against the lower IIM's and a hand of friendship was not enough to satisfy him. An invitation to the campus, and he still finds fault in the entire program at K. Please provide facts for this statement "corporate visitors, management development programmes, industry projects and case studies developed is much worse than some of the second-rung business schools". AFAIK, the MDP program at IIM K is highly rated and this year has more participants than scores of other "B-Schools". Prejudice is a dangerous thing to have when one writes in a public domain.

Posted On 8/27/2007 10:55:25 AM
Re: Sandeep Said:


Made me wonder if a personal grudge is what the gentleman wanted to splash on a public forum!IIMK's growth story has been phenomenal inspite of the location handicap althought the author wanted to potray a contary picture.IIMs generally prefer not to take part in BSchool ranking owing to the simple reason that the methodology adopted by the numerous ranking tht comes up is highly questionable (well a few of them do put IIPMs in the top 5 :)

Posted On 8/27/2007 2:41:30 PM
Re: response Said:


I think everyone knows that the lower 3 IIMs (I,K and L) do not fall in the list of top 10 Indian b-schools. L may just about make it though. The fact that they refuse to participate in surveys is further proof of their own acknowledgement of their lower status.

Posted On 8/27/2007 4:25:48 PM
Re: Rohit Said:


A B-School is defined by the quality of students it admits. Batch profile at K includes people with mostly work-ex in top notch companies, graduates from top institutes of the country. The kind of interaction you have with your batchmates is a learning experience in it's own. Coming to the point of resort rather than IIM, the campus is the perfect mix of serene surroundings, high quality infrastructure and a very highly valued academic cirriculum. Had accessibility been such a big issue as the article mentions, it would have surely affected the placements at K. Afterall why would any company take any pains to visit such an inaccessible place (as the writer mentions!!). But then, how do you explan the constant improve in placements year after year both in terms of job profiles offered as well as packages. I am sorry to say but by writing this article, the writer has only shown a very shallow understanding of how B Schools should be evaluated!!

Posted On 8/27/2007 2:16:38 PM
Sahil Said:


What do you want .. an IIM helping the city grow or the city helping an IIM grow? FYI ... the Kerala govt is pursuing an IT park project and six of our students along with faculty are involved it. Then each student needs to work on one Social Development Project, wokring closely with the state govt/NGO. True there are difficulties, but that does not mean its a mistake. Your theory is very much placements/corporate oriented, K has proved everyone wrong on this account as well !! Your theory, not only is false but also looks at an east way to go about it. "Just because parents have difficulty raising a child it does not make the child a mistake" Whats next MINT: Raising a child a mistake: Hire a babysitter ??

Posted On 8/27/2007 11:16:27 AM
Gurumurthy Said:


I fully agree with the writer. We have to put an end to the quota system in all spheres of our activity. We have paid enough for such trivialities in governance. One should see the merit in tha author's logical conclusions than reacting merely on the basis of emotional appeals

Posted On 8/27/2007 11:47:28 AM
Re: Sahil Said:


Quotas ??.... and I thought the article was on locations where IIMs should be setup !

Posted On 8/27/2007 12:47:06 PM
Gurumurthy Said:


I fully agree with the writer. We have to put an end to the quota system in all spheres of our activity. We have paid enough for such trivialities in governance. One should see the merit in tha author's logical conclusions than reacting merely on the basis of emotional appeals

Posted On 8/27/2007 11:47:28 AM
Re: Vishnu Said:


"Quota system"..i don't think this is the point writer i trying to make. Moreover the issue he is pointing out here is with all indian institutions not only the three NEW IIMs. This article is more on perception based rather then supported by the facts and figures, and i am finding it very hard to believe.

Posted On 8/27/2007 1:08:20 PM
Gurumurthy Said:


I fully agree with the writer. We have to put an end to the quota system in all spheres of our activity. We have paid enough for such trivialities in governance. One should see the merit in tha author's logical conclusions than reacting merely on the basis of emotional appeals

Posted On 8/27/2007 11:47:28 AM
Re: Francesco Said:


"Their data of corporate visitors, management development programmes, industry projects and case studies developed is much worse than some of the second-rung business schools." Sir, would you like to substantiate these statements? Also rather than running an institute ragged you would do the aspiring MBA's a great favor by actually suggesting improvements from your vast experience. Industry interaction is a great term. It has been used so liberally with respect to MBA institutes in India. What is Industry interaction, if I may ask such an inane question to a man of such great credentials? The institute organizes several seminars in an academic year apart from regular talks from the best the industry has to offer. The visiting faculty serves to further cement the industry perspective of the students. Apart from this what other form of industry interaction to A, B or C have? Do the guys studying there go and work in various "industrial hubs" on a part time basis? I guess not. We have our students participating, and winning, all sorts of industry organized events. Big names on campus during placements in now a given. Sir, if the industry does not rate us low on industry interaction how do you? Visiting faculty we do have at K. And a lot of it. So? That does not mean we suffer in any manner whatsoever. They are the best and they readily answer to any queries that we have at any point of time during our course. Please do not take a prejudiced view and misguide young aspirants. The pen (figurative as it is more often the keyboard these days) has a lot of power, let us use it wisely. Sir, please do point out any errors that I may have made above.

Posted On 9/6/2007 4:38:13 PM
Gurumurthy Said:


I fully agree with the writer. We have to put an end to the quota system in all spheres of our activity. We have paid enough for such trivialities in governance. One should see the merit in tha author's logical conclusions than reacting merely on the basis of emotional appeals

Posted On 8/27/2007 11:47:28 AM
Re: Rohit Said:


What quota system? Is Mr. Gurumurthy in favour of concentrating institutes of national importance in a few states, like the previous government did by converting UoRoorkee into an IIT? Why shouldn't all states have the benefits of institutes of the stature of an IIT / IIM / AIIMS ?

Posted On 8/27/2007 3:36:18 PM
Ravinder Said:


Well, for a person like me, who is sitting in Delhi and reading this piece, all I can sense is that the author is a little too possessed with IIM Directors, past and present (and their families), and how they would (supposedly) try to influence rather than be a party to a 'fair' evaluation of B-Schools. A little too far-fetched!

Posted On 8/27/2007 12:55:11 PM
Cheetos Said:


Of course. As C-Fore correctly points out MDI is truly a world class MBA college. Much better than three of the IIMs. Especially when the 8 lakhs siphoned from students make way to advertisements in Outlook and the editors of article are taken good care of. After all its situated in MY Delhi! That alone suffice. Minor trivialities like quality of students and level of academics really count for a petty sum. The weighted average Value calculation really puts a trivial score of such heads. Afterall the top B-School in the world is SUNY (State University of New York) and not Wharton. You see the reason causing that is the fact that Wharton is in an investment impoverished state of Pennsylvania whereas SUNY is in the Cradle of financial capital of the World, New York! Thanks to my stars that policy matters are decided by dumb politicians and not smart journos!! Cheetos. http://cheetos.wordpress.com

Posted On 8/27/2007 1:00:35 PM
Manoj Said:


Well, the writer has some points here but looking at the problem broadly would have given him better insights. -His first point regarding connectivity is more where govt and private airlines have to do something. - If everything is established in metro, how ll India develop as a country. And was Bangalore as developed when IIMB was set up. Or for that matter IISc. That would mean govt should have set up everything in New Delhi or Mumbai in 60s or 70s because all other cities were not developed.Attrition would be a problem for reasons mentioned, but then that would be a problem in every such small city. That doesn't mean you establish everything in major cities. The whole idea of establishing IIMs in such cities was to develop these areas along with the development of these new IIMs. - Did you notice that the pristine environs and the quality conditions in Kozhikode and IIMK is actually a huge benefit to students. It is a wonderful place to 'concentrate on studies and management research'.

Posted On 8/27/2007 1:09:12 PM
Sourav Said:


"Their data of corporate visitors, management development programmes, industry projects and case studies developed is much worse than some of the second-rung business schools...." Will the author kindly take the trouble of validating this particular allegation with relevant data ??

Posted On 8/27/2007 1:38:47 PM
Bhupesh Said:


Being someone who, even after 3 years of struggle was not able to make it to an IIM and had to opt for a so called second-rung B school, it pains me to read such biased opinion against an institute which millions strive every year to be a part of (as an integral part of the IIM family). Fault finding is such an easy job. If we take the example of Stanford university, we can blast the accomplishments of any IIM, even IIM-A, in areas of diversity, industry interaction, foreign students, international exposure and the likes. And all this makes so easy to hide the achievements of these institutes. But this is not what is expected from a writer in a newspaper like mint. Sure, the writer can argue that the millions of brightest Indian minds who are ready to do anything to get into an IIM, including IIMK, may be foolish. But I speak from personal experience. My family has had a string of IIM passouts. And I feel ashamed when I compare the faculty, facilities and overall learning I am getting compared to what they have got. IIMs are amongst the few good things India has got. The writer should refrain from tarnishing their achievements and credibility through his biased opinion.

Posted On 8/27/2007 1:47:40 PM
Suresh Said:


The merit of the students in the IIMs(L,I,K) is no worse than those in the other IIMs(A,B,C).More research and analysis into the teaching methods should have been done before making any judgements.

Posted On 8/27/2007 2:10:58 PM
Ajith Said:


Everyone remembers the outlook surveys where ICFAI Hyd was ahead of 2 IIMs. Author was involved with that also. Here is a good read on that : http://youthcurry.blogspot.com/2006/09/outlook-b-school-rankings-2006.html Something is there to connect these right. The way he writes supports the accusation that he has something against IIM K ,L and I I respect Mint for whatever it is but, when you publish rubbish like this, better be careful.

Posted On 8/27/2007 2:15:16 PM
Re: Shubhadeep Said:


Looks to be a second rung article sponsored by the second rung B-Schools. He has no facts to back his rantings. He shows strong prejudice in his writing as well. LiveMint, this is downright irresponsible journalism! Or is this a forum for individual opinion?

Posted On 9/10/2007 10:52:06 AM
Kaustubh Said:


Some comments on arguments raised by the author: 1.) First the author talks about building IIMs in metropolitan cities, where it will be easy to find infrastructure to attract good faculty. But then, there is an example of Stanford where the university was instrumental in development of the erstwhile backward area into the silicon valley. Aren't these two points in contradiction? 2.) In the comparison of IIMK with XISS, regarding initiatives towards the upliftment of Dalits, it has been pointed out that the latter can do it more efficiently. Can the author kindly produce data to base this opinion on? In fact, if we consider that like IIMK, if every institute took up an initiative towards social development and upliftment, won't the process be supremely efficent, in its reach and effectiveness? 3.) Regarding the point that setting up IIMK has not helped the students/people of Calicut - on the contrary, a prestigious institute like IIMK can actually put Calicut on the industrial/commercial map of India. In fact, a group of IIMK students are currently working on a project in conjunction with the govt. of Kerala to project Calicut as the next IT destination. I believe points like these, and many more, raise a serious doubt on the impartiality and fairness of this article.

Posted On 8/27/2007 2:22:21 PM
surya Said:


How much from ISB as ad revenues? How much from the coffers of "Better than the IIM's" or Amity , some transparency from Livemint about ad-revenue will help the student community. With a smaller size Livemint obviously needs more ad-revenue per page which they make up with up-selling tier-1 schools as tier-1 school. Please do check your articles for grammatical inconsistencies before it goes to print.

Posted On 8/27/2007 2:25:09 PM
Mayank Said:


The writer has judged IIMK on various parameters without giving any substantial proof for them.And to top it he has missed out some parameters which make a good B school.The quality of the students intake also forms an important criteria to judge a B school and all IIMs including K get the best brains of the country.Talking about Faculty the author only delved into the quantity of faculty and didnt hesitate to compare it with second rung B schools but forgot to discuss the quality of faculty avavilable in IIMK which is comparable to the best in India.Therefore I think this article has its fair share of flaws.

Posted On 8/27/2007 2:30:22 PM
Re: Megha Said:


There are some points in this article that I can agree with, and some so inane and irrelevant that I do not find any reason to even think about them. Yes, there is room for improvement at IIMK, and as I student, I will be the first person to admit this. As one of the other comments have pointed out, there is not point in having IIM's in only the metros and tier-I cities, as they are too crowded already. What is shocking is the biased nature of the article, right from the word go. This raises doubts about the credibility of even what might have been truly the case. A magazine like MINT should not stoop to such low standards that we students have to look elsewhere for reliable and objective content.

Posted On 8/27/2007 2:41:37 PM
Abhishek Said:


This article manages to find only one good thing about the entire visit to IIM K, the airport and the surroundings. This itself speaks volumes about the kind of analysis performed by the person in question. I have serious doubts about the "lack of quality in MDP, faculty" issues he has mentioned about the IIM in question, because after all, isn't this what makes an IIM special??? I will attempt to provide some information to the people reading this totally biased report abt this IIM. 1. Industry Interaction is bad - There is a community in IIM K, Industry Interaction Cell, whose sole job is to ensure that the interaction is apt with the targeted industries of the institute 2. Faculty is bad - How will the students learn without faculty? And the placements here are nice... draw the inference urself 3. No of permanent teachers is very less - Report the data about IIM A, B and C when only 10 years had passed since their beginning 4. Connectivity is bad - Yeah, if you want, Kozhikode is drivable distance from bangalore... Why can't people/companies just drive from that place (as flights are totally available in bangalore to any part in India) All in all, I can continue bashing up the data presented in this case over here. Location??? It is important, but the most important thing is that it's an IIM. Period.

Posted On 8/27/2007 2:36:59 PM
Megha Said:


There are some points in this article that I can agree with, and some so inane and irrelevant that I do not find any reason to even think about them. Yes, there is room for improvement at IIMK, and as I student, I will be the first person to admit this. As one of the other comments have pointed out, there is not point in having IIM's in only the metros and tier-I cities, as they are too crowded already. What is shocking is the biased nature of the article, right from the word go. This raises doubts about the credibility of even what might have been truly the case. A magazine like MINT should not stoop to such low standards that we students have to look elsewhere for reliable and objective content.

Posted On 8/27/2007 2:45:09 PM
Ravi Said:


It is perhaps not necessary to criticise when a concept (IIM K) is indeed good. Nevertheless, you have chosen the other way but the only pain is that you have not tried to explore the details besides the article reflects too deliberate a stance to malign the image of the institute and the programmes it is running. Firstly, the Institute is not whole heartedly associated with the Dalit Upliftment projects (Known as Centre for Excellence in collaboration with Kerala State) but it is only the need to associate while infact two age old professors namely Prof. Wilson Mackkaden and Prof. Namboodri only have been involved in the teaching and soft skill training to such students (Unfortunately Prof. Wilson succumbed to an accident two weeks ago). Moreover some interested students (very few) too sometimes on weekends used to spare time out of their busy schedule till last year only to impart some training.Therefore do not consider a very small initiative at such magnitudes so as to colour the entire institute as a social service institute aka social research wing. Secondly, the non metro and non-industrial location of the Institute does not render the teachings and students capabilities redundant and certainly do not render the institute incapable of attracting and marketing talent. Thirdly whether you want the industry to come to you or the other way which is the most easier and perhaps would cause all IIMs in Gujarat, Maharashtra and where yourself say only. Meaning every best thing will be a part of the already best. I really feel that yourself may kindly indulge