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By the time this appears in print, the contretemps over Harbhajan Singh, Andrew Symonds and the use of the words “monkey” or “monkey man” on the cricket field will probably have been resolved. Nevertheless, let’s first get that issue out of the way.

Unlike many Indians, I believe that Symonds had reason to be upset when he was taunted by spectators in India, when he was called a monkey, and when people in the stands made monkey-like noises to annoy him. This goes way beyond the line and there’s no doubt that India owes him an apology.

But, were the spectators taunting him because he is part-black? That’s more difficult to answer. My guess is that Symonds gets called a monkey because of his tendency to smear a white gel on his lips which—and I am sorry to say this—gives him a slightly simian appearance. The spectators were reacting, I guess, to his rather unusual form of face paint, not to his race. If he had been yellow, green, brown or even blue, he would have evoked the same response.

Identity crisis: The taunts against Symonds probably have more to do with his white lip gel than his mixed race .  (Mick Tsikas / Reuters)

Identity crisis: The taunts against Symonds probably have more to do with his white lip gel than his mixed race . (Mick Tsikas / Reuters)

Besides, Indians don’t—on the whole—use “monkey” as a racial epithet in the way that Westerners do (“jungle-bunny” is a common British slur for black people) and tend not to be racist on the sporting field. Way back in the 1960s (when he got engaged to starlet Anju Mahendru) Gary Sobers was treated like a king in India. By the 1970s, we all worshipped Muhammad Ali. When Pele visited India during that decade he received a warm welcome. Nor do the West Indians complain of racism when they tour India. Men like Brian Lara and Viv Richards (who went on to father a child with the actor Neena Gupta—nobody commented on the race issue) are treated like gods.

So, yes, spectators may have behaved badly with Symonds but it was not about race.

Having got that out of the way, let’s tackle the big question: Are Indians racist?

You bet we are.

We are, first of all, an extraordinarily colour conscious people. In traditional families, the best bride is a fair girl and a dark child is an object of shame or pity. (When I was born, my outraged mother did not speak to my grandfather for weeks in protest against his first reaction to my baby pictures which was, that I was dark and bald—as indeed I have remained.) Often we are more colour conscious than we need to be: Both Amitabh Bachchan and Shatrughan Sinha were turned down by producers in the 1970s on the grounds that they were not fair enough. A few film-makers took the risk and both ended up as big stars.

But while we may have changed our attitudes to colour, we are still stubbornly racist. Like Brits and Americans, we are willing to treat black people differently if they are famous sports stars or movie idols. But we are less willing to mix with black people of no great distinction.

Speak to any African student in New Delhi and you will hear stories of the most appalling discrimination. They find it hard to rent houses—places that were on the market suddenly turn out to be full when landlords discover that the potential tenants are black. Rarely are they invited to people’s homes and some even find that taxi-drivers and scooterwallahs are unwilling to accept their custom.

Nor is our racism restricted to our own country. Indians abroad can be even more racist. Within the UK Indian/Pakistani community, many of its more prosperous members flinch from being called black. They have no desire to be clubbed with West Indians and a completely bogus term “Asian”—which means Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi but excludes the rest of Asia—has been invented to describe them. When many Indians in the UK started voting Conservative in the 1980s it was at least partly because the Conservative party treated them as honorary white people (sun-tanned Jews perhaps) while Labour believed in the old Afro-Asian commonality.

In East Africa, one reason why the Gujaratis were hated so much (they were mostly evicted between 1968 to 1972 from Kenya and Uganda) was because black people regarded them as racists who thought they were better than indigenous Africans. Few of the rich Sindhis in Nigeria have any Nigerian friends. And one of Nelson Mandela’s greatest achievements was to blunt black hostility of South African Indians—who were often seen as lackeys of the apartheid regime.

Things are not much better in the Caribbean. When I was in Guyana over a decade ago, there was so much tension between the Indians and the blacks that I actually felt unsafe. In Trinidad, a few years ago, our Indian driver shocked a busload of journos by puncturing our praises of Brian Lara by saying that he did not support the West Indian cricket team because it consisted of “10 niggers and Chanderpaul”. (I’m sorry but that’s the word he used; we finished our drive in horrified silence.) Many West Indian critics suggest that at least some of V.S. Naipaul’s loathing of Trinidad is prompted by his disdain for the people he calls “negroes”. (Matters were not helped when Naipaul published A Turn In the South in which he suggested that perhaps the old white racists in the US South had not been so bad, the poor dears.)

So let’s treat the cricket controversy at three levels.

One: Spectators behaved badly with Symonds. Two: But they were not being racist (and the Australian cricketers are liars and cheats anyway). And three: We are a deeply racist society. And it’s time we came to terms with that.

(Write to Vir at pursuits@livemint.com)

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Raj Said:


I agree with most of comments here. Indians tend to be racist and they treat different races differently.

Posted On 1/18/2008 4:08:16 AM
Dave Said:


good article found on the net http://www.shivamvij.com/2007/02/the-stain-that-just-wont-wash.html The stain that just won’t wash Published by Shivam Vij 11 months, 2 weeks ago in Newsy posts. Like many other students from Africa, John Patrick Ojwando chose to come to India, to Mysore, for higher education as it was cheaper here than in Europe or the US. Ojwando is from Kenya, which has a large Indian population, and so he thought India wouldn’t seem too foreign. But it was only when he arrived here that he realised just how much of an outsider Indians could make him feel, and that Indians in India were in fact plainly racist. That persistent gaze on the street that Ojwando faced, people assured him, came from curiosity. After all, many he met didn’t even know where Kenya was. The name-calling followed: strangers and even people known to him would call him a monkey. “When even English-speaking people behave like this, I don’t see how you could say it comes from any kind of curiosity,” Ojwando says. He learned soon enough to call ‘curiosity’ by its proper name: there were landlords who wouldn’t rent out rooms to Africans and there were parents who wouldn’t approve of their daughters going out with Black men. “It surely is racism when people refuse to sit next to you in a bus, when people you don’t know sneer at you, and when you’re pointed out to kids and called a ‘negro’.” All of this, Ojwando admits, is subtler than the insulting, sometimes violent behaviour understood as racism in the West. “But Indians are caught in the middle, they look up to the Whites and look down on the Blacks. They clearly see themselves as being in between.” Ojwando did make efforts to bring the large numbers of Africans in India’s metros together to speak out against the treatment they receive, but he met with little success. “A friend wouldn’t go to college because of how he was treated he just studied at home and turned up for the exams. Most Africans say they just want t

Posted On 1/18/2008 6:23:58 AM
Manish Said:


Both Amitabh Bachchan and Shatrughan Sinha were turned down by producers in the 1970s on the grounds that they were not fair enough." Too bad Amitabh has forgotten this slight and has accepted roles worshipping white people, particularly white females... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2HbSxNXwxI Raj Arlington, VA, USA.

Posted On 1/18/2008 7:06:18 PM
Rajan Said:


I'm an Indian from the south and don't know of Africans in India or how they are treated, but I do know that darker people are accepted (fair colour is still desired) way better than what you describe. It is apalling to hear about our behaviour in Africa and the West Indies though.

Posted On 1/18/2008 11:22:11 PM
omar Said:


the beauty of permalinks found this site through a Guyana site http://guyanaprovidencestadium.blogspot.com/ outside of Europeans, I've never encountered a people who are more racist and condescending as Indians and Pakistanis to a lesser degree I've never been to either country but i've seen them in action in the USA i don't even believe some of these people realise how racist they are towards each other firstly then others i once saw a doctor insult another woman because she was an 'outcast' in india she made it a point to say 'no! no! no! what part of india are you from!' am sorry i didn't slap her

Posted On 1/20/2008 1:02:53 AM
Re: MAHESH Said:


I guess racisim to a certain extent exists everywhere. We try to seek comanality with people we deal with. Similar customs, bringing up, education and societal norms tend to segregate different races. Inequalities, be it economic, Physical traits, Mental prowesses only go to reinforce such segragation. We have to except racism but not let it degenerate into criminal behaviour. I suggest Vir SAnghvi rent out his flat to few african students in Delhi...You will learn a lesson in Racism

Posted On 1/20/2008 3:24:34 PM
S Said:


Agree with all 3 pts. Well stated.

Posted On 1/20/2008 6:01:49 PM
GreY Said:


Yes we are , not only we are racist towards blacks we show racism towards each other on basis of the State that we belong to , just for instance look at bollywood , how the word 'anna' or madrasi being used in a degrading manner .

Posted On 1/20/2008 9:54:36 PM
Sanjay Said:


Completely agree! Well said.

Posted On 1/21/2008 12:04:26 PM
Sohrab Said:


What "Afro-Asian commonality" are you talking about? Other than the fact we are both not white, we have very little in common with Africans. How can you say that "Asian" is a "bogus" term? India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal and Sri Lanka could easily, easily be one country. There are Nepalis all over India's north east, and wealthy Sindhis and Pathans in India. India and Pakistan both have a Punjab. West Bengal is hardly different from Bangladesh. Pakistan has Gujaratis, Bihari Mohajirs, and Sikhs. Devnagri is used in Nepal. Indians are starting to listen to Pakistani Hindi pop. There are Tamils in both India and Sri Lanka, who have much to do with one another. All of the above watch Bollywood movies. There are certain factors that tie us together. Africa...simply has nothing to do with the picture. The only connection I can think of is the fact that Indians were brutally forced out of Uganda...

Posted On 1/21/2008 11:46:00 PM
Re: Sonya Said:


You East Indians are the most racist. You try so hard to be white or call yourselves caucasian. This stupid Max Muller theory. It is not true, it's bogus. What do you think, that you are better than black People? I don't understand, you guys quick to cry out for racism when the real white people discriminate against you. I thought it was who feels it knows it? Look how you guys treat black people in India, then you stated that you were brutally forced out of Uganda. Do you see black people or can black people live and work in India? Why do you go to their country and think that you are better or superior? You ever think before you talk? You guys are the worse liars, full of tricks and very phony. 90% of the population in India are illiterate, with a country of over a billion, so stop pointing fingers.

Posted On 7/25/2008 7:19:17 PM
Vivek Said:


You ain't look that dark (are you actually feeling a bit snooty?). I tend to agree with you that Black Africans are not treated well here in India. I've seen people calling them derogatory names like "Kalu" or "Habshi", even if the poor chap is just walking by. People make ugly faces if Black Africans ask for any help, whereas the moment a White asks for help, people come running in to answer even if they don't understand a word they are saying. Pretty sad state of affairs!

Posted On 1/22/2008 11:01:53 PM
Re: angel Said:


Question??? What does kalu, and habshi mean? be very clear...Thx!

Posted On 6/20/2009 1:29:20 AM
Santanu Said:


This is Racism and not Prejudice. There should be a margin between Racism & Prejudice; each and every nation is to some extent racist (prejudised)

Posted On 1/23/2008 12:41:14 AM
Mark Said:


This is a good article and it shows why in Trinidad and in Guyana there is so much turmoil when it comes to race.It is sad to see there may not be an end to all this hate towards blacks in what ever country they maybe in.

Posted On 1/23/2008 2:49:04 AM
K Said:


I agree with this article but want to take the discussion one step further. We acknowledge that many Indians, like those of any ethnic group, are racist, especially towards Black people. The next question is how do we start to address this ignorance. It is not excusable, but it is somewhat understandable when those without exposure to other races behave badly towards Blacks. It is another thing when Indians in the United States or other more diverse countries, especially educated Indians, behave just as badly. Despite India's legacy of colonization and the prevalent segmentation of the population based on caste or region, exposure to different people and the opportunity to get to know them through work or school creates a responsibility to move beyond this ignorance. If any group is capable of this it is Indians, who are often the victims of negative stereotypes and racism themselves and should therefore be more sensitive to such treatment and refrain from perpetuating such behavior towards Blacks. I am Indian and have seen my parents' and extended family's racism towards Black people. My parents and I have lived in the US for almost 30 years. I have several graduate degrees and come from a family of similarly educated people who have lived in various countries throughout the world. I have been dating a Black man for years and my educated family who live in a diverse neighborhood and have had the opportunity to know people of all different ethnicities refuse to accept my relationship solely because of his race. Despite many discussions on the matter, the ignorance persists and I remain ashamed at such narrow minded and oppressive behavior. How will this change?

Posted On 2/13/2008 1:10:31 AM
tiff Said:


Speaking as a Black American I really don't care if Indians are racist are not (here in America) Indians don't have any political power. I've never seen an Indian police officer or a public official. The only racism a black person may experience from an Indian person is when we are trying to catch a cab, and now adays there are more African drivers than anyone else. I don't feel any bad thoughts towards Indians (some) for their racist behavior.I think the world does what White people do. I think some Indians think white people think of them differently than blacks the only difference is that the whites fear black people because of slavery. Also I noticed that Indians are so into having light skin I think they have a lot of self hate issues.

Posted On 5/21/2008 8:27:31 AM
Re: Rajiv Said:


Tiff, Indians are less than 1 percent of the population yet they are the richest minority group. There are also several Indians in high governmental positions in both the Democratic and Republican parties. You need to educate yourself. And no we do not have good relations with blacks. Mostly because you are rude to us and uneducated.

Posted On 6/3/2008 7:24:29 AM
Sonya Said:


For the ignorant East Indians who stated on this forum about how black people are uneducated. You are so lack of intelligence. First of all, in India 90% of your people or race are illiterate. And for you to say that black people are rude to you, if you don't give respect how can you expect to get it. You came to the USA and disrespect the black people that's has been there for over 400 years. You are shallow minded, how can you generalize, are you going by the media? You are more racist than the real caucasian people. What are you trying to prove here, you think that your race is better than the black race? My, my, how quickly we forget. Remember what the English did to you guys in your own country? You were called the N word. I don't know how this thread allowed you guys to say all these derogatory things about other human beings or race. I don't understand, you are dishing out the same thing that you were serve or experience. Again, why black people are rude to you it's because of how you approached them with your superiorty. Just think about this East Indians. I sure know that you are not better than my race.

Posted On 7/25/2008 7:40:05 PM
Re: Raj Said:


A few things - When arguing your point of view, your argument would carry more weight if you bothered to look up your information. I don't think there's a place in the world left with a 10% literacy rate. If you spent even a few minutes to look up India's literacy rate, you would see it is in either the 60's or 70's, which is about consistent with much of the non-Western world. If you start something off with exaggeration, it severely dilutes the credibility of your post. - You explicitly say, "if you don't give respect how can you expect to get it," and then proceed to criticize almost everything about Indian culture and broadly stereotype Indian people. The last sentence is purely incendiary, as if you are trying to pick a fight. There's no place for that here, or anywhere for that matter. It's because of bigoted thoughts like that the world has this problem of racism. So I have to ask you, if you do not give any respect, how are you expecting to earn it through what you've written? Whatever you've posted here will only worsen the prejudice of people through more hate, instead of breaking down barriers. - Lastly, you should really chill out, and learn more about the cultures around you. Yes, I am aware that many Indians are racist, but younger people are proving to be more open-minded. I've never had a problem with my friends and I grew up in a fairly multicultural place (New England). Look past the differences, and don't resort so quickly to hate. Otherwise you're just as racist as the people you're trying to condemn.

Posted On 8/9/2008 11:29:27 PM
Sonja Said:


This is for Raj. What the hell are you talking about, Did you read the comments on this thread? Who are the bigot here. I did not started any fights, did you read all the derogatory things that your people say and think about the black race? Why don't they get the facts. You view us as murderers, thieves, uneducated, lives only in ghettos, most of us are in prison and rude. Tell me Raj, who are the ignorant ones on this thread? You listen to the media and classified all of us in the same category, you think that your race is superior to the black race? You guys all of a sudden started reffering your race as brown and that you are a part of the caucasian race, what a joke. Some of you guys are more black than the nigroid race. You have brown skin black people too,as a matter of fact, you have some very fair skin black people. I don't care what you guys say, East Indians are minorities too. You claims that you have the same features as the caucasian. So this means, black people with the same features are caucasian too. I am not insulting your race, I am just upset about the things that you guys are saying about us.

Posted On 8/11/2008 11:01:04 PM
Suresh Said:


Want proof that we Indians are racist. See the Hindi movie 'Race'. This movie was shot entirely in South Africa, a country with 38.5 million blacks and 4.5 million whites. Yet what do you see in the movie only white people every where (except for one black dancer). If one sees the movie one would think that South africa is a lilli white European country.

Posted On 10/7/2008 1:40:03 AM
Re: Eldest Said:


In the good old days.

Posted On 11/26/2008 1:17:19 PM
Suresh Said:


Want proof that we Indians are racist. See the Hindi movie 'Race'. This movie was shot entirely in South Africa, a country with 38.5 million blacks and 4.5 million whites. Yet what do you see in the movie only white people every where (except for one black dancer). If one sees the movie one would think that South africa is a lilli white European country.

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Posted On 7/2/2009 10:16:58 PM
Suresh Said:


Want proof that we Indians are racist. See the Hindi movie 'Race'. This movie was shot entirely in South Africa, a country with 38.5 million blacks and 4.5 million whites. Yet what do you see in the movie only white people every where (except for one black dancer). If one sees the movie one would think that South africa is a lilli white European country.

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Posted On 9/1/2009 8:27:55 PM
Suresh Said:


Want proof that we Indians are racist. See the Hindi movie 'Race'. This movie was shot entirely in South Africa, a country with 38.5 million blacks and 4.5 million whites. Yet what do you see in the movie only white people every where (except for one black dancer). If one sees the movie one would think that South africa is a lilli white European country.

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Posted On 9/4/2009 5:06:42 PM
eshan Said:


It is true beyond doubt that Indians are racist, in every respect of the term. This is not a new trend in our country and has existed for centuries, owing to myriad reasons. It is indeed time we looked beyond the same and tried to resolve these issues, for the betterment of our nation. However, as for us being racist in foreign lands are concerned, this stems from economic prosperity and the inability to merge with local cultures worldwide. I believe we are not too social and confine ourselves to our respective communities, for security more importantly than anything else. I would be surprised if Gujaratis would mingle freely with Sindhis abroad. Maybe this introverted nature, also prevents them from rubbing shoulders with the ethnic folks of a particular country. As for Africans in Delhi, folks are mortally frightened, lest they be involved in any kind of illegal activities from their premises. No self-respecting person wants to be dragged into any controversy with the authorites. Last but no the least this does not change the fact, that we are racist to the core and need to better ourselves as our citizens are migrating abroad and this is the age of globalisation like no other.

Posted On 12/22/2008 12:15:42 PM
Mwansa Said:


I think that some Indians like to hate Black people in a way to completely separate themselves from them and to not be put in the same category as them. Trying to identify with the white race is a way to become accepted and dare not to be racially damned as Blacks in a society. It's like someone stepping on any stool to appear taller or superior. It's apalling how the Indians have been abused by British before in their past history, but want to relate and to still yearn for the approval of acceptance from whites(perhaps ex. as a child who's badly beaten by his father, but as an adult, he still yearns and depends on the acceptance from his father in order shape up his self-identity). Despite all the agonizing conflicts, racism, discrimation-must I stress more- that Blacks Americans have faced, there is always the morality and acceptance of being proud of yourself and who you are that never seemed to fade away despite the racism that had plagued the US for many centuries. This kind of attitude contributes to the reason why Blacks, according to a recent poll, have the highest self-esteem and self-confidence than any other ethnicity. Perhaps this is why a man called Barack Obama (who defines himself as a black man, even though he's of mixed race) became the first African-American President of the USA. In plain human terms, racism spoken or uttered among Indians towards Blacks, is a personal self-coflict among that certain individual and Blacks to them is an easy gateway to feel an articial sense of higher hierarchy by spewing the same bad blood they had inherited from their past defeators.

Posted On 12/23/2008 2:30:45 PM
jay Said:


Indians are the closed minded people, they think that they know everything and the rest of the world is wrong. They considered themselves as smartest people on the planet. I Created topic called " Is singapore a good place to migrate?" in the forum called http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.php... whenever i wrote about the negative side of singapore they appauded it but whenever I wrote positive side of singapore, the forum administrators are not happy they pushed my topic from "General Topics" To "Trash Can". They Consider the chinese are racist but in reality they are the worst racist of all. Indians like to argue what they say is right and refuse to listen to others opinion. They are such a narrow minded people. Indians are the most racist in the highest order and most arrogant people on the planet. There are lot of caste(race) and religious discrmination in India when it comes to jobs and education. Amercians, Europeans, Africans and Asians are like angels compared to Indians when it comes to racism. I and few others like me are ashamed to be an Indian sometimes.

Posted On 1/29/2009 2:55:56 PM