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When exactly did India’s most famous battle — Kurukshetra — take place? My search uncovered some intriguing details. Historians disagree on the date. It ranges from around 3200 BC to 700 BC — a period of 2,500 years! Curiously, historians unanimously agree that Kurukshetra did not take place between 2500 BC and 1500 BC. This is the period when the Indus Valley civilization “collapsed”.
History reveals that around 2000-1800 BC, all along the Euro-Asian west-east axis, a horde of invaders, from above the 50N latitudes called the horse-people, pushed down. Every civilization — China, India, Mesopotamia, Anatolia and Greece — was overcome as they had the most powerful weapon known then — the horse chariot. Who were the invaders and who were the displaced?
Think why no one wants to place the Kurukshetra battle in that gap of 1,000 years. It would tantamount to admitting that the Pandavas and/or the Kauravas were the “invaders” or “outsiders” — the Aryans who displaced the then flourishing Indus Valley civilization and pushed it south to become the Dravidian culture. This aspect has assumed political overtones and, hence, the denials and silence over it.
Here’s what happened. There was an Indus Valley civilization which belonged to the Vedic culture. The Aryans, the horse-chariot people, displaced and pushed it south. The horse-people with no culture of their own adapted the Vedic culture and the Vedic Indus Valley civilization had a second innings.
Both the epics, Ramayan and Mahabharat, talk of battles involving horses and chariots. There is no evidence of any horse in present-day India and Pakistan till 2000-1800 BC. The horse came carrying the invaders from the northern latitudes. Next, take a globe. Put your thumb at the point where the 55 degrees east longitude and 55 degrees north latitude intersect. This will be just south of the Urals, above the mid-point between the Caspian and Aral Seas, north of Kazakhstan. With your thumb as the fulcrum and your little finger on Gujarat, draw an arc. It will end in Spain. This entire swathe of land shares the Indo-European group of languages. Of course, there are exceptions — Arabic, Basque, Turkish, etc.
But the most startling exception lies in the Kalat region of Baluchistan, Pakistan, and its border with Afghanistan. Nestled there today are more than two million people who speak Brahui, a Dravidian group language! But they did not “get” there. They were already there and became the typical “pocket” when invasions swept the majority away. That’s why Tamil is the oldest of all present Indian languages and Tamilians were perhaps the first Sindhis! After all they drank jhalam (Tamil for water) from the river that has this name. Will someone explain this paradox — if the Indus Valley civilization is the oldest in India, how is Tamil the oldest language? Unless the Dravidian civilization predates the Indus Valley.
Look below the 55E-55N point and at the routes by which you can reach the extremities of your arc. Every point can be reached by continuing along rivers or shores of lakes, i.e., the invasion-cum-migration had the most important resource necessary to travel such vast distances — water. The most famous rivers in Central Asia are the Syr Darya and Amu Darya! The “oldest” DNA found in an Indian was in Tamil Nadu, near Madurai. How about a DNA survey of those in north/north-west India, the present inhabitants of the steppes and those living between 25 degrees and 45 degrees north latitudes in West Asia and Europe?
The biggest give-away is the “18-day” war. Military historians will tell you man’s ability to sustain a battle proper (sieges are not battles) for more than a day came only when railways made logistics feasible. Waterloo (AD 1815), probably the last big battle before railways, took just one day. The “day” in the Kurukshetra battle is evidently metaphorical. For, it was oral history. It was more likely to have been 18 months or even 18 years — just the time needed for a migration-cum-invasion to displace a culture and a civilization 3,500 years ago.
If the Mahabharat involved the horse-people, then what about the more antiquated Ramayan, which talks not only of horses, but also the famed Asvamedha yagna? Was Ram a Cossack, the most famed of all horse-people? Doesn’t “Valmiki” sound Russian, perhaps a corruption of Vladmikhailovich, who lived in the present Russian town named Sverdlovsk, formerly perhaps Swargalok? If we don’t accept the invasion theory, then the only other explanation is that both Mahabharat and Ramayan took place outside India, on the Russian steppes, and their stories have come down to us as oral histories through the horse-people, which were then refined to suit cultural and later ethnic, social and political agendas.
T.R. Ramaswami is a former commercial and investment banker. Comments are welcome at otherviews@livemint.com
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Eroteme Said:


You might be interested in reading the detailed response put up here: http://inagardencalledlife.blogspot.com/2008/05/tsk-tsk-tsk.html

Posted On 5/25/2008 1:46:26 PM
Ram Said:


"The biggest give-away is the “18-day” war. Military historians will tell you man’s ability to sustain a battle proper (sieges are not battles) for more than a day came only when railways made logistics feasible" - OMG - peak of stupidity! I have never heard of anything more lame than this!

Posted On 5/26/2008 9:13:35 AM
Avik Said:


Mr. Ramaswami will do better to stick to his forte and leave hostory for the historians. In an article with absolutely no reference he makes bizzare claims and Mint prints it!! Shudder... Valmiki sounds Russian! And Laxman? German perhaps!! It's really laughable... http://inagardencalledlife.blogspot.com/2008/05/tsk-tsk-tsk.html

Posted On 5/26/2008 10:00:17 AM
Gopi Said:


Sirs, How nice it would be if people will stick to writing on matters about which they knew at least something. Then yhey would not have to be in the embrassing position of ridicule that author of this article is. Mr Ramaswami should stick to making money and leave out history to those who knew what they were talking about. I would like him to quote one mention of the historical revelation he talks about in any one of the numerous Hindu scriptures on where exactly the horede came from, when and how, not the kind of conjecture he put in this article; that may be acceptable in casinos aka modern banking, not history. No wonder Swami Vivekanada was froced to say that he would not be sorry if such peddlers of falsehood and their stories all drowned in one of the seas from which they assumed the soc-called Aryans came from.

Posted On 5/26/2008 12:52:39 PM
N Said:


It will be interesting for readers of this article to also read http://inagardencalledlife.blogspot.com/2008/05/tsk-tsk-tsk.html Though I believe the treatment in the latter could have been more objective, as opposed to personal.

Posted On 5/27/2008 10:51:23 AM
Re: Eroteme Said:


I agree, but objective articles deserve objective responses, no?

Posted On 5/29/2008 11:35:35 AM
Francesco Said:


Crazy stuff! The most amusing sentence in the article is the following: "Was Ram a Cossack, the most famed of all horse-people? Doesn’t 'Valmiki' sound Russian, perhaps a corruption of Vladmikhailovich, who lived in the present Russian town named Sverdlovsk, formerly perhaps Swargalok?" Along these lines, doesn't the ancient Polish surname Radwanski (someone from places in Poland called Radwan) come from Ravana? :^) Francesco Brighenti, Ph.D. Venice (Italy)

Posted On 5/28/2008 12:19:54 PM
Madhwa Said:


Tamilians (of the Dravdian variety)have this deep inferiority complex that they want to prove time and again that they were the original inhabitants of India and the rest came from somewhere else! Also look at the flippant way of his coming to conclusions! No references nothing to any scholarly source of information. Unless it is under humor category, I will now seriously doubt the Wall Street Journal's quality of journalism!

Posted On 5/30/2008 2:27:07 AM
Re: Chaitanya Said:


The socalled "Self Respect Movement" shows in the title itself that Tamils had no self respect to begin with, and that self respect had to be achieved through a popular movement of agitation. Clearly, the "Self Respect Movement" has been an utter failure for the likes of Mr. Ramaswami still grace newsprint and web space with their ridiculous claims.

Posted On 6/4/2008 10:27:15 AM
Rajeshwari Said:


History is prejudice! Interpret it the way you want and what makes your day! None of us were actually there. I know most of us were not even there at any excavation.. So it is all just prejudice..

Posted On 5/30/2008 12:35:46 PM
Rajeshwari Said:


History is prejudice! Interpret it the way you want and what makes your day! None of us were actually there. I know most of us were not even there at any excavation.. So it is all just prejudice..

Posted On 5/30/2008 12:40:02 PM
Madhwa Said:


By the way, anyone noticed the irony here! The writer's name has "Rama" in it!How strange for a blue blooded Tamilian having the name Rama and still doubting the origins of Lord Rama! Mr.Ramaswami, you dont have to look up the globe and all that to hazard a conjecture as to where Rama came from on a horse. Instead get off of your high horse and start with your name.......That will tell you a lot about the blue blooded Indian, Lord Rama!

Posted On 5/30/2008 8:37:50 PM
harihara Said:


It is by writing such utter nonsense that illfeeling is created among people of Bharat. One should not write and publish such falsehood based on cheap imagination and erratic and irrelevant thinking. It is high time such thing ends and we work for United India where every indian is the same as the other.

Posted On 5/31/2008 6:43:14 PM
ord Said:


Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Ho Ho Ho hohohohohohohoho!!!!

Posted On 6/1/2008 9:36:42 PM
skeptic Said:


Well....The assumption is that there was a Kurukshetra war...that could be a myth. Valmiki sounds closest to finnish. It is a prominent finnish last name

Posted On 6/3/2008 4:13:29 AM
skeptic Said:


the finnish last name is valimaki. I would say thats the closest. The closeness of a name doesnt say anything. By coincidence there should be atleast 50 names close to Valmiki...

Posted On 6/3/2008 4:17:04 AM
Tina Said:


I'm surprised how an educated person (a banker) can write such an article just based on his own views and based on a very basic human trait - my race/caste/culture/religion/region/language is the best.. I don't see any other reason why someone would write such nonsense that has no scientific or logical basis. Now, livemint has an article that refutes this claim based on DNA studies - http://www.livemint.com/2008/05/30010607/Genetic-data-refutes-theory.html I wish people like you, Mr Ramaswami, would finally stop trying to prove that you are the best and the basis of India.

Posted On 6/3/2008 10:25:26 PM
Chaitanya Said:


God knows how many people this buffoon had cheated suring his banking career. Cheating the public with lies and myths is so clearly a pastime for him.

Posted On 6/4/2008 10:24:47 AM
Chaitanya Said:


Mr. Ramaswami, I have a doubt. You say that the Tamils and Dravidians of today were the original people of the Indus Valley and were pushed southwards after the mythical "Aryan invasion" took place. These people who were pushed southwards are now the inhabitants of south India or more specifically, the Tamil Nadu. Does it not follow then that: 1. The claim that Tamils are indigenous to India/Tamil Nadu is false? Here are the relevant lines from your article: "...the Aryans who displaced the then flourishing Indus Valley civilization and pushed it south to become the Dravidian culture." According to the Aryan Invasion Hypothesis, shouldnt Dravidians be foreigners to Tamil Nadu as their original land was the Indus Valley? Shouldnt Dravidian culture also be foreign to Tamil Nadu as it originated in the Indus Valley and not somewhere on the Kaveri? 2. So, if Dravidians and Dravidian culture are not indigenous to India, then what is the big difference between Dravidians and Aryans, who are also - supposedly - outsiders according to the Aryan Invasion Hypothesis? What do you say? Dont you also realize that ultimately, all humans everywhere are foreigners because the first Homo Sapiens originated in Africa and then migrated to inhabit most other lands? Why do you and your ilk make such a big fuss about people being indigenous or foreigners? If people should be vilified on the basis of their historical origin, then Tamils should be the first to be kicked out of India! Please, broaden your horizons and you will realize that there is much more to the world than narrow concerns about these people being foreigners and those people being indigenous! You seem like a middle aged person. It is a sad commentary on conditions these days that a young adult like me has to speak a few words of wisdom to calm a hot blooded agitated middle aged man with a fancy theory that is objective enough only for drawing room conversations - than the other way around. I take pity!

Posted On 6/4/2008 10:48:51 AM
Mario Said:


Brilliant article, somebody is finally cuting through the bullshit they teach in schools.

Posted On 6/14/2008 7:31:33 AM
kak Said:


Er, to me T R Ramaswami sounds an neighbourly name Trauma-Sami

Posted On 6/17/2008 11:51:23 AM