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TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 24, 2009

It was an easy call. In this bull run, India was termed an asset class. We were starting to think of ourselves as very special. I started getting worried when such rubbish started going around. India is not any asset class; it is only one of the markets.

This kind of euphoric situation can last only for a while. In 2007, every Tom, Dick and Harry could think of making a billion-dollar personal fortune. Employees across industries were getting salaries which were not justified even at the peak of any cycle in the US. It was getting ridiculous—wage inflation, asset inflation. If one had stepped back and viewed it dispassionately, it was quiet easy to figure out.

Look at China, the economy has been growing more than 10% every year but the market is still down some 65% since November last year.

So, is the India story over?

We think (the) emerging markets (stories) are over for a while. India is going to do what pretty much its peers will do. Sometimes it will do better; sometimes not so good. It’s unlikely that it will stand out of the pack. When the entire emerging markets turn up, India may turn higher than some other markets.

Do you see any change in the contour of the problems?

The problems started with the subprime crisis last year. However, now it is very much a local issue. India’s 9-10% (economic) growth was just an aberration. We do not understand that growth requires sustained investments and we don’t do enough of it. We got the benefit from a lot of slack capacity that got built in the second half of the ’90s which was not utilized till around 2003. There was huge pent-up capacity. Now we are through with it.

So, you saw it coming?

Historically, no equity market has given huge returns for six consecutive years. After five years of a bull run in emerging markets, a slump was due. The reasons could vary. The five-year rally, that has offered around 50% compounded return, was phenomenal by any standard. The last time we had this phenomenon was in 1987-92 when there was a 62% compounding growth of returns from investments.

Is the pain over?

The maximum downside one had seen in India was about 35% in a year in 2000. We have breached that already by the middle of the year. Now we are entering a situation where long-held theories can be thrown out of the window. We could be down another 30-40% from here.

I would not be surprised at all to find Sensex below 10,000. When we made an initial target (for the index) it was based on other factors and the run-away inflation was not in sight. If we factor it in that, the trouble gets compounded.

When do we see a revival?

Our basic belief is that liquidity does not matter. Markets create liquidity, and not the reverse. We need to wait another two or three years for a revival. It could be even shorter—just a year and half; but definitely not this year.

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G Said:


Shankar Sharma is a one of a fine breed of scam artists who call themselves investment bankers. I disctinctly remember him on TV last year when the market went to 21k and that was later than May saying the best was yet to come. He now claims to have turned negative at that time. I disagree, he keeps changing. He and others are now trying to drive the market down so as to get a better entry point into it again.

Posted On 7/4/2008 7:19:13 AM
sri Said:


right ! sensible !! conservative !!!

Posted On 7/4/2008 7:26:28 AM
Sudhakar Said:


Dear Editor: He is the man whom I canoot understand. Whatever he said may be the facts today, which even I predicted that sensex may go back to 13500 levels in December 2007. But he is the same person who told the sensex may go up by 30-50% when it is at 17500 levels. Its the same person who told he will buy PSU Banks in the month of Feb'2008. The reality is we need to understnad his statements to really know what he is thinking. - Sudhakar

Posted On 7/4/2008 10:11:12 AM
Sanjay Said:


This is the first article I read which conformed to my beliefs since End Jan 2008. Nicely put forward and most likely to happen. As Mr Buffet has said there is always a pin waiting for every bubble and when they eventually meet this situation comes which throws many new comers out of the market.

Posted On 7/4/2008 3:40:44 PM
Bhavesh Said:


This is amazing. The person who predicted the markets to cross 25,000-28,000 is now claiming that the market will be below 10,000?. Pl refer to his interview (in September 2007) posted in moneycontrol.com. Seriously moron http://news.moneycontrol.com/india/news/market-outlook/mkts-to-rally-40-80current-levels-first-global/03/00/305044

Posted On 7/4/2008 4:40:51 PM
sandeep Said:


Mkts to rally 40-80% from current levels: First Global 007-09-26 21:50:44 Mr.Shankar predicting 25K-28K levels as of Oct'07. http://news.moneycontrol.com/india/news/market-outlook/mkts-to-rally-40-80current-levels-first-global/03/00/305044

Posted On 7/4/2008 4:54:22 PM
Alok Said:


I agree most the most of the views in the article. But, I dont understand why the autor is so bearish on Banks. Infact calling it the dumbest business to be in. Can the autor throw some more light on this?

Posted On 7/4/2008 5:25:26 PM
vasant Said:


in the month of Dec 07, when the markets were ruling at all time highs, Shankar Sharmaji came on CNBC and said that our markets could touch 30000 and would command a PE multiple equivalent to the Chinese markets. Today he feels that Indian markets are doomed to go below 10000 levels. I dont think he believes in what he says and is just fooling retail investors who take such people at their face value. We would request investors to apply common sense before investing and not believ in such biased and fabricated opinions.

Posted On 7/4/2008 6:38:48 PM
Ishank Said:


If 25-28000 didn't come, will 10K come? cnbc sep07: Shankar Sharma of First Global thinks that India is likely to rally another 40-80% from current levels. He feels that Sensex can go up to 25,000-28,000 levels. Sharma adds that India has risen fast, but still an undervalued market and there is no point comparing relative valuations of EMs. India is way ahead of China on all counts, he says.

Posted On 7/4/2008 8:05:48 PM
Vishal Said:


I think this story borders more on sensationalism than indepth analysis. The link below shows the same person to be forecasting 30,000 level as recently as end Sep, 2007. While he could have changed his opinion after that, but in my opinion, to give the complete story, this information should also have been provided. Atleast, this would have clearly shown that - nobody can accurately forecast the market in the short term - Investing is the game of long term thinking, investing in a company and not speculating in a bazaar, and high caution - the opinion of so called experts is as good as anybody's guess Sep 26, 2007 Mkts to rally 40-80% from current levels: First Global http://news.moneycontrol.com/india/news/market-outlook/mkts-to-rally-40-80current-levels-first-global/03/00/305044

Posted On 7/5/2008 3:28:48 PM
Anurag Said:


Sensex is at 13000 now. Falling below 10000 levels would be an almost 25% fall from current position. I am not sure if this is going to happen. However, I am not an expert and have little limited knowledge gathered from news channels and sites like www.nseindia.com, www.moneycontrol.com, www.appuonline.com. I was thinking of buying some shares now, but if sensex really falls below 10000 what should be my investment strategy?

Posted On 7/8/2008 1:09:49 PM
ashvin Said:


I don;t know about all the people who have comemnted, but whenvever I have read/watched Shankar Sharmas interview, he seemed to be logical and practical, not like other top honchos of broking/mf agenices, who had been gung ho about Indian market and always harping on the same line"fundamentally india is strong nothing is going to happen". I espcially remember watching the Relaince Money CEo bangopadhay (i hope i have spelled that right). Who always kept on harping nothing is gonna happen. Now he has totally vanished from moneycontrol/cnbc

Posted On 7/14/2008 12:52:06 PM
Rahul Said:


I think they all guru make fool people because they earn lots of money from broker I just lost 4 lakh Rs through mutual funds because when market was going upside they say market will touch 25k to 26k soon. When market go down they say market will touch 10,000 I redeemed my all investment in fear near about 13k with loss of 4lakh. I just want to say all people plz don’t follow this bull sit guys they make you totally fool now market is going again upward if market will go under 10k I want to know why they confused people earlier interview we are growing country. My personal opinion congress government are also making fool people they are helping big gambler who making good in stock market whenever they want market go up whenever they want market go down please I want to say ordinary investor please go away from market don’t think about shares because this is virtual money whenever sensex will touch 20k rupee will appreciate, that will effect Indian export business, It business and many people will lost jobs so plz people Indian is not a powerful country and not self indepent Indian need work from us market as well as europia market. So plz away from stock market. This all is virtual money sum people making money there which government supporting. I want to say they are the broker of government who is making money from them. We are innocent people we lost are hard money which we earn lots of sacrifice. I just want to know another market of this world of can crash 40% I think only indian market can crash 40 to 60%. Because we indian always try to cheat own family members. When indian sensex is going down Finance Minister P Chidamrh says we are fundamental strong don't worry about people believe his word now what happening people lost own money which they earn after lot's of sacrificc and I personally says Congress government is failure to understand ordinary people they always cheat their country people I personally want to blame for this downfaull manomohan singh

Posted On 7/23/2008 5:05:38 PM
Re: ashvin Said:


Rahul, your comments are so childish.

Posted On 9/2/2008 11:15:03 AM
VIVEK Said:


Whether its Shankar Sharma,Prakash Gaba,Salil Sharma,Ashwani Gujral,Rajesh Tanmbe,or any other.They are making us fool.They also don't know anything about the mnarket.It is impossible to predict market.In his last interview (Sep'2007) this Mr. Shankar Sharma predicted that Sensex will touch 25000-28000 mark.But now what happened? They are only specuaters of the market.Nothing is technical in this market.It's pure modern form gambling.When market started corrected in Jan'2008 nobody said that it'll go down below 16000 level.Everyone was saying market will bounce back but what happened ? Their adivce is unreliable. When market will be positive they will start advising us to buy & when it will start to come down they will say to sell.

Posted On 10/6/2008 5:36:15 PM
Rahul Said:


hi ashvin, If you lost hard money in stock market, then you can understand who is making a fool out of you this time and you easily can say my comment is childish but you are not able to see that how an ordinary person lost their hard work money. Are you also a broker of the Indian government?

Posted On 10/22/2008 4:13:27 PM
puntercalls Said:


Indian markets opened flat and www puntercalls com turned choppy taking cues from weak Asian markets. Broader markets outperformed the benchmarks. National Stock Exchange’s Nifty was at www puntercalls com 4457.75, down 1.15 points and Bombay Stock Exchange’s Sensex was at 15,079.04, up 43.78 points.Know more click on http://puntercalls.com/news/indian-markets-opened-flat.html

Posted On 8/19/2009 3:43:50 PM
puntercalls Said:


Indian markets were on a firm foot after a strong opening www puntercalls com as bulls got support from the positive global markets. Buying activity was seen in auto, realty and metals space. “US markets closed up and Asian markets www puntercalls com are positive. Asian stocks gained, led by energy and finance companies, as oil prices rallied and QBE Insurance Group reported higher first-half profit.know more click on http://puntercalls.com/news/sensex-gains-momentum-2.html

Posted On 8/21/2009 2:50:38 PM