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Yatin Said:
Congratulations Rajdeep!! You deserve tremendous kudos to bring the truth to light. We pray for your safety as the vested interest may try to retaliate to extreme extents...You gave ground realities and re-confirmed what Arun Shourie indicated in his book "Harvesting our souls".
Posted On 9/5/2008 12:49:43 PM
Re: Sushmitha Said:
You have asked, what more a balanced presentation of the truth can be? Kindly go through the cover story of the latest Tehelka issue. The link is here http://www.tehelka.com/story_main40.asp?filename=Ne130908CoverStory.asp
Posted On 9/12/2008 2:30:16 PM
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Raj Said:
Thanks Rajdeep. I appreciate your efforts at bringing facts forward, an idea the English media is averse to when it comes to religion. I suspect the English media is particularly sensitive to this since they have international exposure and they want to appear as "progressive" as they can.
Keep up the good work.
Posted On 9/6/2008 1:50:40 AM
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Abraham Said:
We are praying for the people who suffered persecution in Orissa and at the same time we are praying for the persecutors. They do not know what they are doing and to whom they are doing, not to the poor people of Orissa but the living God. Jesus prayed the same prayer when He was crucified.
Posted On 9/6/2008 2:59:52 PM
Re: Sujith Said:
My Dear Abraham,Jesus has never told his followers to convert their neighbors.Just remind you that Christians in India have grown with the support of Hindus.Christians have proved that they are not trustworthy community by converting the Hindus as and when they get a chance.In my opinion,all missionaries should be burnt alive if they attempt for conversions again
Posted On 10/23/2008 5:03:57 PM
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h Said:
Just how much of this article stands the test of truth is a matter of debate. Any conversion by means of allurement is no conversion at all and a person who resorts to such is the loser at the end. Jesus came to save sinners and am one of them. Conversion is the recognition of the need for a saviour. It is not a matter of statistics
Posted On 9/6/2008 3:16:04 PM
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Sushmitha Said:
It is unfortunate that almost all your articles on the violence in Orissa in some way of the other attack the church, which is already reeling under physical attack. In one, you say the church leaders have abandoned the flock, in one you emphasize on an internal battle. Another alleges false conversion methods. The perpetrators of the violence almost go scot-free. I wonder what explains the unusual focus of this paper?
Posted On 9/6/2008 5:23:16 PM
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Ram Said:
Dear Rajdeep,
In the history of mankind, Christian Missionaries have played a very important role in catering to the needs of the rural poor. Missionaries in Orissa are no exception. They have laboured for years for the welfare of the villagers. What have the missionaries got in return to their toils in the villages? Some got burnt and killed. Some get attacked physically and some through such articles in the media. How can we so easily forget the various hospitals, educational and vocational institutes that are being set up for all the villagers, irrespective of religion? At least there should have been some mention of these, instead of blacklisting all missionaries.
The article states that the Hindu population of Kandhamal district has grown by 2% and Christians by 16%. Couldn't this be because people will flock to the place where there is care and love, not to mention the "peace" that they found in Jesus Christ?
I am surprised at the story that one is paid for becoming or remaining a Christian. Missionaries or clergymen do not have lots of money to distribute. They themselves get a very nominal salary or some do not get salary at all. They work for their living.
Another issue is about the SC status. If a poor man is willing to let go off his birthright given to him by the Indian Constitution, it only shows that he has his own conviction, and is not lured with any "gift". I hope you will explore these areas as well as you write on the violence in Orissa.
Posted On 9/7/2008 9:27:39 AM
Re: sujith Said:
What Rajdeep written is absolutely correct.I have been to many tribal villages and directly seen people getting converted by the missionaries by allurements and even by threatening in Christian majority areas of Wayanad,Kerala.I have eye-witnessed lot of such incidents across India.I appreciate Rajdeep for his courage to write explicitely about this Issue.Missionaries are here not for giving FREE LUNCH to any one.Missionarries are Flooded with foreign funds and they are divided in to many groups such as New life,Heavenly feast,Believers church and so on to smoothen the conversion.Why these missionaries are not working among Muslims?As per Sachhar report,Majority of Muslims are the below the poverty line.Missionaries clearly know that if try to convert muslims,they will be chopped off.Ram I suspect you a Christian
Posted On 10/23/2008 5:17:34 PM
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Sushmitha Said:
It is unfortunate that each of your articles on the violence in Orissa in some way or the other attacks the church, which is already reeling under physical attack. In one, you say the church leaders have abandoned the flock, in one you emphasise on an internal battle in the church and another alleges false conversion methods. The perpetrators of the violence almost go scot-free. None of the stories are balanced. I wonder what explains this?
Posted On 9/8/2008 11:15:46 AM
Re: Yatin Said:
How can you deny facts, pictures and ground realities that prevail? What more a balanced presentation of truth can be? Rajdeep is simply a mirror that reflects the state of affairs. We as reader of MINT should review the contemporary news in its true perspective and not carry personal bias.How justified we shall be in our approach if we cannot appreciate or fathom the circumstances in which Rajdeep has plunged to give us truth, even at the risk of his own life.
Posted On 9/8/2008 3:20:37 PM
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Steven Said:
As a Christian, I condemn the killing of Laksmananda Saraswati and the killing of Christians in Orissa. I also condemn any forcible or deceitful attempts at conversion or reconversion. In fact, the debate is not about conversion or reconversion at all, but coercion, be it through deceit or force. True conversion is always voluntary and the Fundamental Right of every human being. Can religious and political leaders of today ensure this? Can creating fear of displacement, violence, rape, murder in the minds of those who sincerely want to convert ever be justified? Is not the threat of revocation of SC/ST rights another form of exploitation of the poor? Is it not as wrong as luring through money? Is not the anti-conversion law a daunting legal hurdle for the same poor, illiterate villagers? Are these not other forms of coercion? These are larger questions that need to be answered, hopefully through this paper in subsequent editions.
Posted On 9/8/2008 7:13:43 PM
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vijender Said:
VHP is well within its right to convert back by the same means Christians have converted them to christianity. And somebody who has accepted a faith for such reasons should go back to his/her original faith. Those who are genuine will pay for what they believe, God will judge peoples' hearts. I don't understand where there is place for violence. Well the truth is some people have taken upon themselves the onus of protecting their faith and in so doing they have discredited themselves and have become bad examples for their faith. As always truth will prevail. God will protect those on the side of the truth. Time will tell who is right and who is wrong.
Posted On 9/8/2008 7:24:31 PM
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Phekan Said:
Well done Rajdeep. These missionaries in the guise of doing good are in a real mood to convert the poor illiterate people. These people once converted have only hate for their country and secessionist ideas. Look at north east heavily christianised and financed to secede from India. God save India and Hindus
Posted On 9/10/2008 4:35:17 AM
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joemon Said:
Dear Rajdeep, You have started your article saying "A poor, illiterate Hindu villager falls ill and looks for help at a Christian missionary-run medical facility." I am glad that people know when they are hungry, sick, lonely and isolated where they can find help. Why don't they go to others? Why aren't others available for such people. I think as a person and community we have to look at ourselves and see what are we characterised by. Are we characterised by hatred, violence, rape, murder or are we characterised by unconditional love, compassion, acceptance and sacrifice. No one can force anyone to accept a certain way of life, their heart leads them because they see genuine love. Dear friend lets not attack and criticise others. Let us change our hearts, then we would have a better world.
Posted On 9/10/2008 3:02:40 PM
Re: sujith Said:
Hi Joemon,I hope you would be aware that India is a Hindu majority country.In response to your question to Rajdeep,whatever conversion happened in Orissa or anywhere in India is on the back of huge financial support from outside.Christian missionaries have identified poverty as an exponential opportunity for them to convert people by offering financial allurements.Do you thinks that all those who embraced Christianity is all because of the greatness of your religion????Missionaries and Kerala Based pentacostal workers were exploiting the illness of the poor.Orissa incident is just a backlash of HinduCommunity against the illegal conversion of Christians.Majority of the Hindus are against this conversion.I welcome Joemon to embrace Hinduism and start a betterlife
Posted On 10/23/2008 5:37:17 PM
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Srikanta Said:
Hi Rajdeep,
It is well known to the whole world about Indian culture and civilization. India respects all religions equally. However we are not opposing the Christians but we are opposing the way they are motivating poor Hindus by taking the advantage of their simplicity, poverty and illitracy. In addition, I would like to point out that Orissa is the Land of Lord Jagannath from the time immemorable. This culture welcomes all religious practices and social transformations but it never tolerates any kind of discrimination among the religions or conversion. Therefore, conversion in any form should be banned strictly to avoid further communial riots to protect the national integrity, identity and religious belief of the Indians.
Posted On 9/11/2008 1:15:56 AM
Re: Sujith Said:
Good Srikanta.Being a Hindu,We should Oppose the conversions to Christianity.There is a Hidden agenda which was formulated in Vatican and being executed by the missionaries with the help of politicians.This will venetually ruin our culture.No more softcorner for Christians . Jai Sriram
Posted On 10/23/2008 5:45:14 PM
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punit Said:
ok,agreed missionaries are doing good work,
but why should they convert?
after all there is no hindu organisation going out and converting people on such a large scale.
Posted On 9/16/2008 4:57:02 PM
Re: matthew Said:
Dear Punit,
When you ask the question, 'Why should they convert?', there is an assumption that there's something wrong with conversion. May I humbly submit that there is a big difference between a change of heart (true conversion) and a conversion by the means of force, inducement or deceit. As a devout Christian, I condemn the latter form of conversion. But if someone is touched by the work of missionary and wants to share in the joy they see, in the love for others they experience, in the peace of mind they notice, how can that person be denied the right to convert. It's that individual's personal decision. Denying a person the right to convert and live the life the way he wants to, which is what the Sangh Parivar is attempting to do, is the crime. Not conversion.
Posted On 9/19/2008 3:38:01 PM
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punit Said:
ok,agreed missionaries are doing good work,
but why should they convert?
after all there is no hindu organisation going out and converting people on such a large scale.
Posted On 9/16/2008 4:57:02 PM
Re: Mathur Said:
Punit,Listen to what Mathew said.I feel pity on Mr.Mathew,who has replied to your posting.He tries to prove that Only christians are enjoying the Joy and in his words conversion is all about sharing joy with poor by the missionaries ,as per St.Mathew's definition.And he he finds nothing wrong in conversion and justifies too.I agree with mathew that missionaries and nuns are getting lot of joy,but in what sense?? In kerala lots of nuns got killed in their convents.Who is responsible for that VHP?Baj rangDal or the eople who experience the joy?/
Posted On 10/23/2008 5:57:01 PM
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Nikhil Said:
Exactly my viewpoints... Conversion by using fraudulent and deceiving methods is incorrect and taking advantage of the illiterate and poor, because of their state is something that's highly condemnable and deserves nothing more than harsh censure. Such acts need to be dealt with an iron hand.
Unfortunately these activities are not being done openly and so the "civilised" people find it incorrect when people who oppose to such heinous acts with ulterior motives as being violent. Violence may not be the right path, but conversion using deceit is equally bad, if not worse. Especially when they condemn the Hindu Gods, by using material such as Satyadarshini
Posted On 10/11/2008 7:45:54 PM
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Anand Said:
GOOD JOB !!!!! Rajdeep....you have brought right picture of these cunning wolves who feel that pope has given them a universal licence or infact a NATIONAL PERMIT to convert any one they want as per their choice...Christians call Hindus as orthodox & superstitious & today if we see they are the most superstitious people in India as every day on certain TV channels their pastors cladden in coat/pant perform FAKE HEALINGS were a person is asked to come on stage & then after shouting Hallalooiya ! 2-3 times the person will fall down & he will proudly say " Ise Prabhu YESHU ka Sparsh ho gaya "....Good Job Done ...Hats off to you Rajdeep !!!!
Posted On 10/15/2008 3:52:31 PM
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Ashokchand Said:
Good Show Rajdeep !! you certainly deserve a pat on ur back. now, the days are gone when these christian missionaries would shed crocodile tears..& blame right wing Hindu organizations of concocting conversion stories...now even a common person walking down the street knows how these christian missionaries come to your home & coax you to accept their literature in which all bullshit things are written like "this world will end soon & if u dont turn to christ you will burn in hell" or "If u want to attain salvation then accept Yahowah as your saviour" im damn sure that they would have done all the same things in orissa & now they are paying price for it.
Posted On 10/15/2008 4:08:45 PM
Re: Mathur Said:
Ashok,I am proud of youfor joining hands together to expel bloody Christian missionaries out of RAMA RAJYA(India).Let them circulate these bloody bullshit literatures on the streets of vatican.If any Christians approaching you with such literatures rip him apart.All the best to all my Hindu brothers
Posted On 10/24/2008 1:31:25 AM
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amanpreet Said:
Its really good to see reporters like Rajdeep who come out of pseudo secular media which often tries to please these Christian Evangelistics as most of these media agencies have their god fathers in western countries for instance Bennet & coleman & reuters etc...& as per them SECULARISM means SLAMMING HINDUS & their organizations but they never cover the nefarious activities of these christian missionaries and they never highlight evangelical websites of the churches life GFA & Seventh Day Adventists were they equate us ie.,Hindus with Harvest & our beloved & respected Hindu gods & goddesses with Satan..for them "tolerance means converting to christainity & converting to christainity means Tolerance". If VHP & RSS are reconverting Christians to Hindu then why does it cause heartburn to these so called SECULARISTS like Sushmitha
Posted On 10/15/2008 4:22:03 PM
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Patrick Said:
Aw, poor people want their SC status back? Do they not like the idea of being EQUAL with everyone else? I'm amazed that people are applauding the idea that people came back to Hinduism after the violence because they want to live in peace and avoid social ostracisation! Do you really think this is a good reason for conversion. People are reconverting for fear of death! Bravo Hinduism
Posted On 11/15/2008 3:42:33 PM
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anand Said:
Yes Patrick, people will applaud the idea of reconversions for fear of Death !! because the same way Hindus were forced to convert for fear of Death !! by the Portugese Missionaries in GOA....where 280 Temples were destroyed & Thousands of Hindus were killed just because they didnt want to convert to Christianity & wanted to preserve their culture & ancestral religion...& at that time there were no organisations like VHP etc...these sins were commited by ur own Pastors & Bishops cladden in White cloake...just because Christ has asked them to spread his message of so called LOVE !!! were u need to ensure that wether u are in Africa,Asia or Europe just make sure that u ravage the culture of Local indegenious people & teach them that there gods & godesses are BullShit !!! They are Pagans,They are Satans, they are Animists & they only have one option i.e, come to the ISI marked & quality tested Real God i.e., Lord Jesus...am i Right ?
Posted On 12/23/2008 8:48:13 PM
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sad Said:
Leave these poor Indians alone. Go to Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan. Their souls are crying to be saved. But wait, let me guess they will not tolerate your lying methods and retaliate so "Jesus" (truth be upon him) has conveniently forgotten them and is going after the poor Indians. What a joke...
Posted On 3/10/2009 12:20:54 AM
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AntiConversion Said:
Our own government is not fixing this and relying on religious vote banks. Till such time when it get into everyone's head & heart that we are heading towards a serious problem, this will continue. One has to just assure the same status as other Hindus and pursuade them for reconversion. Stop the TV shows and put them behind bars if any conversion is done. If things are not taken seriously now there are only two outcomes, 1) entire india will have Hindu minority OR 2) there will be meaningless fights and deaths because of that, just because few people have understood things wrongly and start burning other religious monuments. Just because they did such idiotic things to us in the past, no point in repeating the same to them. Our rich Hindu culture needs to be understood by all people. We should make it mandatory and know our own principles, in fact I regard Muslims for that, the seriousness and commitment they show in their religion is missing with us Hindus, which lets all such stupidity creep in. It starts like medical, educational, upliftment of poor etc etc. But their mission is just one and that is CONVERSION. Increasing the headcount of Christians. I don't know why they are hell bent on conversion - Has Jesus said every human being should be a Christian? Well our Gods have not kept any goals like that to us, hence we don't go places for converting people in the fake cover of "Helping the needy"...
Posted On 3/11/2009 4:51:38 PM
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ambily Said:
Christianity is such a self-obsessed religion that it has no respect for other faiths. There is ample proof of it especially in Kerala, where everytime I go back, I see more churches cropping up in every nook and cranny of the state. It is the time to take note of it. I studied briefly in a christian missionary and know what goes on there. Christians think they are the direct descendants of god. By the way, I don't even think Jesus was God...He was only the messenger of God, just like the many saints that find mention in Hinduism. I would obviously not subjugate in front of a human...no matter how great he/she is. Shame on christians and their missionaires for trying to ruin the cultural fabric of our country. They have done it in Africa and now they are attempting it here. We shouldn't let it happen. There is a fine for speaking in any other language except English in missionary schools, what for? Rome is the centre for all the filth in the world. And by the way if Christianity is where peace and love is, tell me why is the Western world (Christian world) fighting all these wars, spending money and resources in looting our natural resources (to serve their greed and appetite), and spreading the message of a FAKE life? Christianity is the largest religion in the world, but the world is probably going through the most dangerous and uncertain times. We should ideally credit Christianity with it. Hypocrites. Now that Christianity is losing favour in western worlds, they are trying to find a new place to plant their seeds (poisonous ones).
Posted On 11/1/2009 5:27:51 PM
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Fpath Said:
These Christian, Hindu and Muslim missionaries are turning this country are turning this peaceful country into hell. It all first started with the Christians. A messenger from Heaven is needed to control these religious conversions.
Posted On 11/2/2009 10:54:14 AM
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