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THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 26, 2009

Mumbai’s Sea Link bridge took 10 years to make, cost Rs1,600 crore and was inaugurated last month.

For Rs50, it carries drivers across the Mahim Bay from Bandra to Worli’s Seaface. The bridge is designed to shorten the drive from north Mumbai suburbs to the city’s south, where the business district is. Once the driver gets off the bridge at Worli, however, he cannot continue south.

Illustration: Jayachandran / Mint

Illustration: Jayachandran / Mint

This is because the Maharashtra government planned only for the Sea Link to bridge the bay: No thought was given to what the driver was to do once the bridge ended. Blocked by a divider, the only way the driver can move is back north. So he drives in the opposite direction. Going around a signal, he travels an extra 1.2km before returning to the exact spot where he exited the bridge, but this time facing the right direction. We accept this mindlessness because it’s normal in India.

Indians don’t fully understand modern infrastructure because we have made no contribution to its advance, though we can purchase its designs. For us a bridge is an independent thing. Its environment is a different thing.

Our response to terror attacks is to add a security layer to five-star hotels. The idea of controlling the environment rather than the venue, the idea of a system and its process is alien, and difficult. We can learn about this, but we have nobody to teach us.

The British left in 1947, and they left too soon. We celebrate Independence Day, but another six decades of dependence as Great Britain’s colony would have been good for us. We could have learnt how to run cities. No harm in admitting what is obvious for all to see: We cannot even manage traffic.

Mumbai, not Hong Kong, would have been the centre for finance in Asia, instead of the second-rate city it has become since the British left.

Delhi would have more bits like the ones the British built, the only elegant parts of the city, just as British South Bombay is the only elegant part. Cities such as Surat and Ahmedabad and Hyderabad and Indore would have become civilized. Under English and Scottish bureaucrats, architecture, certainly civic architecture, would not be as ugly as it is.

Justice would mean something. Gandhi and Nehru repeatedly got arrested voluntarily because, correctly, they trusted British justice. Today’s politician resists arrest even though he may be innocent, because he’s liable to get stitched up, like Omar Abdullah.

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What else would be better? Education, through the Macaulay plan.

Europeans, of course, told us who and what we were. After 3,000 years of illiteracy, we learnt of the existence of the Indus Valley civilization from John Marshall in 1924. The identity of our greatest emperor, Ashok (died 232 BC), whose lion capital is our emblem, whose wheel is on our flag, was revealed to us by James Prinsep 175 years ago.

Our Aryan ancestry (or fantasy) was gifted to us by William Jones in 1786, when he reported the link between Sanskrit, Ancient Greek and Latin. The barbarism of Muslims at Vijayanagar was revealed by Robert Sewell, when he translated the 16th century work of Fernaos Nunes and Domingos Paes. Between 1879 and 1894, Max Muller translated the entire Upanishad, Vedas and Dhammapada. This helped Vivekanand go lecture the Americans on India’s greatness at Chicago in 1893.

The great German tradition of Indology continues through men such as Heinrich von Stietencron, but a sustained engagement through colonial government would have resulted in more attention to Indian studies.

Growing up in Surat, the only books I had access to were in Andrews Library, built in 1850. This is because Gujaratis, a mercantile people influenced by Jains, have no use for literature. The British stuffed it down our throats like medicine, educating the first reformers, people such as Narmad Shankar who attended the Elphinstone Institute. Shankar compiled Gujarati’s first dictionary in 1873, but the native instinct was strong and he reverted to Vedic tribalism in the last decade of his life.

That is the cycle South Asians normally follow: illiteracy, awakening through contact with European culture, and then a belief in our superiority.

But our bombast is groundless. America’s First Amendment says that Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech. Article 19(1)(a) of our Constitution also gave us the absolute right to freedom of speech. Within one year, the government amended that, denying us that freedom—and wisely. That was because we cannot have freedom of speech in a country where you can get killed for what you say. Or start a riot. It was different for Periyar and Manto because they lived under rule of law.

Nirad Chaudhuri was hated in 1951 for saying that British rule shaped and quickened all that was good within us. Today our best minds accept colonization by migrating to nations where they cannot vote. But they go anyway, because they can succeed under the other man’s law, where the environment is better controlled than in the Indian city.

The Indian city would have benefited from remaining colonized, but what of the village? In 1981, Amartya Sen concluded that famine was better managed under democracy. But famine is an exceptional situation. Millions die every year in India from malnutrition, and independent India has been no good at changing this.

Watching Doordarshan a couple of days ago, I saw an advertisement. “You can build a toilet in your house now!” it said, “contact the municipal department”.

Why did the villager need to be told in 2009 that he could build a toilet in his house? I could think of two reasons: He did not understand hygiene, and he was stopped from building one by the village’s upper caste.

A people who block each other and themselves need a patron.

Aakar Patel is a director at Hill Road Media.

Write to Aakar at replytoall@livemint.com

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Subbarao Said:


Mr. Patel uses lop sided logic to drive home his point of the incompetence, corruption, lawlessness etc in current day India. Just because you, corrupt and crude politicians, a largely supine middle class and a mostly incompetent and corrupt "Babudom" does not mean that everything British did was emulation worthy. What British did in terms of Railways and Civil service was as much for their economic benefit as for the benefit of the ruled masses because other than areas of strategic or economic importance there was very little development. Enlightened rulers of Princely states like erstwhile Mysore and Baroda showed what the native rulers could achieve. No body is harking back to the rule of Raja Maharaja but most of the problems of modern India are those of 50 odd years of failed socialism and Licence-Raj. So it is question of bad governance that ails India not the need for per say a "Firang" blood transfusion into the India administration and governance.

Posted On 8/14/2009 1:08:25 AM
Re: ricky Said:


i think what britishers did to us was because of our own weekness.we should not let others to take advantages of our weekness.at the same time although they built railways and buildings of some fine quality it still worth appriciation.there is no doubt that we people fail in creating things without anomalies.we dont use our brains and just copy technology from other countries.we lack innovativeness and courage and there is no dening this fact.so instead of finding faults in others we should question our own system ...

Posted On 9/15/2009 10:01:54 AM
Wacko Said:


Does anyone else, beside me, find Aakar Patel nuts, a self-loathing wacko in admiration of anything West of the Caucasus? If the British left six decades later who is to argue we'd be any better than where we were in 1947 except that the rest of the world would have moved on, as they have and India too has? Is it even tenable to hold that what's said and passes in India owes all to Macaulay, the West, and there's nothing indigenous, local? Where is any mention or accounting for what India achieved earlier, before the Western progress of the last three or four centuries? There are some that do better under adult supervision. There are some that do better, even if they stumble around initially, when left to their own means and ends. If I understand Aakar, he argues for the former (under a foreign supervisor). May I suggest he follow that for himself and spare the many others that yearn to be independent, sovereign, and take pride in all that however messy it might seem? IF LiveMint sponsors such apologists for colonialism I'm inclined to throw it in the rubbish where it (and Mr Patel) rightly belong.

Posted On 8/14/2009 4:59:52 AM
Re: Rohan Said:


Mr Wacko, You should just take a trip to UK for a month and then come back to India. You will see the point that Mr. Aakar is trying to prove and everything will be clear. Dont forget that caste system was not there creation, it was ours and look where it has led us to. Even after 62 years we still have quotas for SC/ST's etc. Instead the govt should create schools and bring them in a level playing field so that they can compete just the way everybody does for a pie of IIT's and IIM's. Its sickening to see that people less qualified get into a post just by there virtue of their birth and not hard work.

Posted On 8/15/2009 3:33:47 PM
Wacko Said:


Does anyone else, beside me, find Aakar Patel nuts, a self-loathing wacko in admiration of anything West of the Caucasus? If the British left six decades later who is to argue we'd be any better than where we were in 1947 except that the rest of the world would have moved on, as they have and India too has? Is it even tenable to hold that what's said and passes in India owes all to Macaulay, the West, and there's nothing indigenous, local? Where is any mention or accounting for what India achieved earlier, before the Western progress of the last three or four centuries? There are some that do better under adult supervision. There are some that do better, even if they stumble around initially, when left to their own means and ends. If I understand Aakar, he argues for the former (under a foreign supervisor). May I suggest he follow that for himself and spare the many others that yearn to be independent, sovereign, and take pride in all that however messy it might seem? IF LiveMint sponsors such apologists for colonialism I'm inclined to throw it in the rubbish where it (and Mr Patel) rightly belong.

Posted On 8/14/2009 4:59:52 AM
Re: Wackoer Said:


So much for the freedom of speech! I will buy your logic if you provide evidences like those stated in the column. Without them all your opinions are just that: opinions. Note that this remains unchanged irrespective of whether you shield yourself from newspapers bold enough to encourage diversity of opinion, or dare to open your mind to them.

Posted On 10/1/2009 8:38:10 AM
Wacko Said:


Does anyone else, beside me, find Aakar Patel nuts, a self-loathing wacko in admiration of anything West of the Caucasus? If the British left six decades later who is to argue we'd be any better than where we were in 1947 except that the rest of the world would have moved on, as they have and India too has? Is it even tenable to hold that what's said and passes in India owes all to Macaulay, the West, and there's nothing indigenous, local? Where is any mention or accounting for what India achieved earlier, before the Western progress of the last three or four centuries? There are some that do better under adult supervision. There are some that do better, even if they stumble around initially, when left to their own means and ends. If I understand Aakar, he argues for the former (under a foreign supervisor). May I suggest he follow that for himself and spare the many others that yearn to be independent, sovereign, and take pride in all that however messy it might seem? IF LiveMint sponsors such apologists for colonialism I'm inclined to throw it in the rubbish where it (and Mr Patel) rightly belong.

Posted On 8/14/2009 4:59:52 AM
Re: SB Said:


> Does anyone else, beside me, find Aakar Patel nuts, a self-loathing wacko in admiration of anything West of the Caucasus? Not me at any rate.

Posted On 10/20/2009 11:03:57 AM
Venki Said:


Aakar, You should be applying to Manmohan Singh as his media adviser. You know the one who went to Cambridge and eulogised British rule in India? But please keep up with the times. The new overlord is the US, with Little Britain the 51st state. The present government is well on it's way to turning India into a vassal state of the US. Though that may not be enough, since the only way you can have Americans run the civic affairs in India is if they first have a war and bomb us back to the stone age before they rebuild with modern day viceroys like in Iraq and Afghanistan. But don't loose heart, they will eventually work their way from Afghanistan through Pakistan to India and then they will be happy to reward foot-soldiers like you!

Posted On 8/14/2009 8:57:52 AM
Ankit Said:


The most pathetic article I have come across in recent times & wonder how come Aakar Patel is even allowed to write columns at this platform. The autor conveninetly forgets 400 years of opression by the british raj, The autor conveniently forgets the complete apathy of british during the 1942 plauge where millions of indian died or the famine. The british were and still are a materialistic lot. Its a shame that even after 62 years of freedom we have absolute jerks like aakar patel praising the great british raj, Nehru gandhi courted arrest as it caused mass mobility of masses because their arrest used to cause the whole country as a whole to sit up and take notice , if british justice system was so great then Bhagat singh would never have been sent to gallows. Shame on you aakar patel. why dont u just go and stay in UK where they treat Indians as second class citizens.. Ohhh I am so sorry to say this you wont even get a UK visa because you are a Patel, becoz the brits have stopped issuing visas to Patels & Shahs. people like you should definetly " Quit India " Vande matram. Ankit.

Posted On 8/14/2009 11:54:16 AM
Avinash Said:


Agreed 100%

Posted On 8/14/2009 1:15:09 PM
Chirag Said:


It's sad and extremely disheartning, but it is the truth - we are a horrible mess! And yes we were very well civilised under europeans, but also under some Mughals, and before that under Ashoka, etc etc. And periods of chaos in between each era. I wouldn't go that far to say we need Europeans. Rather than saying 'we are blessed under europeans' I'd say we are 'cursed by our inability to produce good leaders'. But to lead a billion people is extremely difficult for any flesh and blood mortal. History tells me the only thing that can unite such a big population is religion. Pause a bit to think about it - and you shall realise it only gets scarrier! Because it couldn't be done in the past. By the way, can anyone verify all those historical tidbits that the author has mentioned are true or is it just the 'european' version of events.

Posted On 8/14/2009 1:22:36 PM
sharath Said:


I must sadly concede that many of the points you have raised are valid. After returning home from a short stint outside the country, it is starkly clear that we dont know how to manage the most basic of items. We seem to be specially incompatible with indoor plumbing.

Posted On 8/14/2009 1:28:28 PM
Vinayak Said:


I Think AAkar has come Bang on with his study! Look at the way the British have shaped Hong Kong, all in just 99 years!! Am sure with modernisation and gloablisation British rule in India till the new Millennium would just help our Country to transform and grow way better than the way it has now.

Posted On 8/14/2009 1:38:03 PM
Karthik Said:


Always a fan of yours Akar. Thanksfull to the British atleast to bring English to our land, else I will be farming in my village. You are telling the truth in each of your articles. But unfortunately you are not getting much open minded people to comment. Cant wait for the next 15 days before I get to read your column. I would be interested to see your views on the patriotism levels of north and south Indians.

Posted On 8/14/2009 1:45:48 PM
Advait Said:


Rather than craving for British rule we should be thinking of hiring the Britishers (Or westerners in general) for their talents, much like what the Sheikhs of the Gulf are doing with very positive results.

Posted On 8/14/2009 2:08:28 PM
Sunil Said:


Well, the article does touch the painful nerve. But it cannot be tossed out summarily.It does have some substance in it. But it wont find many takers. It is difficult for any society, just like any individual to look into the mirror and face the truth. If we were really so smart, we would not have been in the bottom 20 of the world quality of life index - after 60 years of so called independence.No doubt some sections of the society and some aspects of lihe have certainly improved, however if a 360 degree view is atken, then we certainly are at the bottom of the pit - and still sinking.You cannot call a society of 120 crore people, as civilised if it cannot provide two meals a day and a clean pot to shit to over 60 crore of them. Hightime we stopped gloating in the past and took control of the future.

Posted On 8/14/2009 2:21:21 PM
Dinesh Said:


This is what Mr Patel needs to do - read a few books outside a Western Library. I do not subscribe to the Live Mint - there is definitely one strong reason why I won't in the future. Because of the sight of 'brown' burden-carrier of his white masters. Dinesh

Posted On 8/14/2009 6:33:33 PM
Wacko Said:


If there's value in Aakar's complaints, and there likely is enough corruption and such to support it, there's a different way to talk about it, fix it than to revert to a longing for colonialism. In America's early years of independence from the British there was pride, a make-do, can-do attitude and not a "let's cave in and go back to British rule." So what explains the difference between that and Aakar's attitude? Perhaps the latter don't deserve that freedom and lest they engage in activities that will deprive the zillion others of their hard-earned freedom, they ought to be dispatched to those very shores where they can live under the rule of another without risking the rest who prefer otherwise.

Posted On 8/14/2009 9:35:58 PM
Venki Said:


Here is what is wrong with your prescription Aaakar. - In spite of your admiration for British colonial rule you still think like a spineless Indian kid who wants mai-baap, albeit the British variety to continue to do things for you. - If you had learned anything of value from the British and the west, it would have been that one needs to grow up, stand on one's own feet and learn by making mistakes. They let their kids who turn 18 go out of their home and make something of themselves. - Instead of pointing out how the bumbling kid (the Indian state) can do things better, you ask him to call mommy! - For instance to take one of your examples, you would have pointed out why it is wrong for a bunch of Maharashtra state generalist bureaucrats to plan and build a bridge instead of outsourcing the whole project to a professional outfit (like L&T for instance). Or you would have pointed out how far India has progressed from the days when this project was planned and started to the point where road projects these days are outsourced on a turnkey basis and where things still need improvement. - But no, you want mai-baap to come back or worse still not have kicked you out of home (Indian independence)! - So what makes you think that 60 more years of colonial rule would have done, what 190 years of prior rule could not do? - It would have left Indians even more utterly incompetent and unable to handle their own affairs and a larger tribe of self-loathing "class of persons, Indian in blood and colour, but English in taste, in opinions, in morals, and in intellect". Note, that Macaulay in that quote didn't say, English in the sense of 'go get it done'. And so we have armchair pundits like you who preach their English opinions, morals and intellect, without the 'go get it done' attitude'!

Posted On 8/14/2009 10:49:41 PM
WohSubahKabhiToAyegi Said:


Another self loathing idiot, not unlike Prafool Bhadwai, who fits better in Paki papers, where they both regularly publish (Aakar in The News), giving company to the likes of candle lighter Kooldip Nayyar.

Posted On 8/15/2009 1:52:15 AM
stale Said:


Nice bad! The British did help us discover a lot about ourselves. I do not agree with the extreme comments you are getting. On the flip side would be an inappropriate title and a very obvious timing. Also because of "the British built, the only elegant parts of the city," parts, you come across as a very shallow person.

Posted On 8/15/2009 2:16:44 AM
Vikram Said:


Aakar, I understand and share your angst along with many other Indians. I think that you wrote this article as sarcasm but just to be sure let me critique it. If by 'British being in India', you mean me and you would be subjects of the queen, it doesnt really matter, we have to be subjects of someone, right ? But a closer look at the British Raj will reveal one potent flaw in their administration, their reluctance to take on caste. In fact, in many ways they indulged the upper castes and reinforced social hierarchy. Which is not to say that the Republic has had unequivocal success in tackling caste, but the principal of one person, one vote does give marginalized groups a chance to fight for their rights. The British did not care about this, the Congress said it did, but really didnt, perhaps the current generation of Dalit leaders really do. But if we still under the Raj, chances are that there would be no Dalit leaders to speak of. Also I would like to point out a factual error in your article, you say "Millions die every year in India from malnutrition, and independent India has been no good at changing this." Although, malnutrition is a serious problem in India, your claim is quite ridiculous. India's death rate is 6.23 per 1000 population, comparable to Brazil and Australia, and surely millions of Australians are not dieing of malnutrition. Sarcasm and angst notwithstanding, debasing meaningful debate by such rash writing does much more harm than good. But you have the freedom to write what you want, guaranteed by the Constitution. I hope you remember what the British would do to writers that would advocate the abolition of the Raj. :)

Posted On 8/15/2009 9:04:27 AM
Re: Deep Said:


Agreed. But 6.23 per 1000 - in a population of 1 billion is a huge number - way higher than 6.23 per 1000 in a population of 20 million (Australia).

Posted On 8/16/2009 9:00:18 PM
Vikram Said:


Aakar, I understand and share your angst along with many other Indians. I think that you wrote this article as sarcasm but just to be sure let me critique it. If by 'British being in India', you mean me and you would be subjects of the queen, it doesnt really matter, we have to be subjects of someone, right ? But a closer look at the British Raj will reveal one potent flaw in their administration, their reluctance to take on caste. In fact, in many ways they indulged the upper castes and reinforced social hierarchy. Which is not to say that the Republic has had unequivocal success in tackling caste, but the principal of one person, one vote does give marginalized groups a chance to fight for their rights. The British did not care about this, the Congress said it did, but really didnt, perhaps the current generation of Dalit leaders really do. But if we still under the Raj, chances are that there would be no Dalit leaders to speak of. Also I would like to point out a factual error in your article, you say "Millions die every year in India from malnutrition, and independent India has been no good at changing this." Although, malnutrition is a serious problem in India, your claim is quite ridiculous. India's death rate is 6.23 per 1000 population, comparable to Brazil and Australia, and surely millions of Australians are not dieing of malnutrition. Sarcasm and angst notwithstanding, debasing meaningful debate by such rash writing does much more harm than good. But you have the freedom to write what you want, guaranteed by the Constitution. I hope you remember what the British would do to writers that would advocate the abolition of the Raj. :)

Posted On 8/15/2009 9:04:27 AM
Re: Vikram Said:


Yes, but that is the total death rate. And even though Australia undoubtedly has more people in the 60 + age when there are the most natural deaths, the fact that the rates are about the same indicates that Indians are not dying from malnutrition in large numbers. In any case, I am not denying that basic healthcare and nutrition are big problems in India, only that our debates should be based on verifiable facts not bashful assertions.

Posted On 8/29/2009 2:12:44 AM
Vikram Said:


Aakar, I understand and share your angst along with many other Indians. I think that you wrote this article as sarcasm but just to be sure let me critique it. If by 'British being in India', you mean me and you would be subjects of the queen, it doesnt really matter, we have to be subjects of someone, right ? But a closer look at the British Raj will reveal one potent flaw in their administration, their reluctance to take on caste. In fact, in many ways they indulged the upper castes and reinforced social hierarchy. Which is not to say that the Republic has had unequivocal success in tackling caste, but the principal of one person, one vote does give marginalized groups a chance to fight for their rights. The British did not care about this, the Congress said it did, but really didnt, perhaps the current generation of Dalit leaders really do. But if we still under the Raj, chances are that there would be no Dalit leaders to speak of. Also I would like to point out a factual error in your article, you say "Millions die every year in India from malnutrition, and independent India has been no good at changing this." Although, malnutrition is a serious problem in India, your claim is quite ridiculous. India's death rate is 6.23 per 1000 population, comparable to Brazil and Australia, and surely millions of Australians are not dieing of malnutrition. Sarcasm and angst notwithstanding, debasing meaningful debate by such rash writing does much more harm than good. But you have the freedom to write what you want, guaranteed by the Constitution. I hope you remember what the British would do to writers that would advocate the abolition of the Raj. :)

Posted On 8/15/2009 9:04:27 AM
Re: Painful Said:


and I hope you remember what the Indian Government did/does to its own minorities. (gujrat/delhi riots etc etc)

Posted On 10/1/2009 10:20:19 AM
Vikram Said:


Thank you, Mr. Patel, for putting into words what more than a few people I know strongly feel but don't say publicly for fear of having to deal with the sort of angry jingoism you see in the comments here. Whether you like the sentiment or not, it is quite obviously the truth. So much of what's good about India was created under the Brits. You point out that one thing Indians in British India had was the security of the rule of law to say a lot more than we feel free to say today. Criticise a politician and you might end up dead. Call your city by its actual name (Bombay, for example) and you're threatened with violence. So, yes, you're right when you say that people—I—would rather immigrate and contribute to another nation, where I can live and enjoy the basic necessities of modern life. I don't mean health care, unemployment benefits and infrastructure. I mean the rights, which despite being enshrined in our constitution, are not a reality. No 'Jai Hind's from me today. Maybe a 'God Save the Queen' or a 'Rule Britannia'. :-)

Posted On 8/15/2009 11:01:12 AM
Sanjay Said:


Though I agree that British did some of the exceptional things that we still appreciate I will not accept British rule. We Indians are capable of doing some of the best jobs in the world - Some of the most famous Management gurus are Indians, Some of the best IT companies can churn out quality product because of the Indians - why not create some exemplary civic amenities. Simply because people in public services do not give enough thought to it or has other interest than creating bridge or any other civic facilities. Look at the South Ex in Delhi. They had the sample of CP but still did not plan enough for car parking in the South Ex market. Not enough place for even walking in the market. Reason may be that if we have more space for houses may be more money can be made out of selling those houses rather than leaving enough space for parking etc. Don't blame Indians but our system that has rotten to such level that we only think just about me and none else. The same guy the moment he lands in America he will behave completely differently. Even though before making South Ex we already had a sample of Chandigarh design we did not follow that even. There are few improvements that can be done on the Chandigarh design but we are not even doing it when copying it to various cities in Haryana. All these are because people in public services are not interested. Not because they are not capable.

Posted On 8/15/2009 11:47:51 AM
Amrita Said:


A very well written article Mr. Patel, certainly telling it like it is.. but no matter how terrible our infrastructure, there is respect for the new India. If they had stayed, would that be the case? They had 100's of years to build another Hong Kong.. but didn't. I am thankful that I am a first and equal citizen in my own country, but I certainly hope that my taxes fill some potholes before my children are born.

Posted On 8/15/2009 12:36:31 PM
Mr Said:


I was introduced to this column very recently, and was shocked to see what is written in this particular column. My initial reaction was of rage, more so than anything else, towards the author and the paper for letting him say it on its platform. After that I read other articles written by Mr Patel, and now I can safely say that all of it is just his attempt to be popular, and may be the paper's attempt to draw more readers to its website. Most of what he has written has a lot of shock value, where any normal reader would be inclined to read and most probably disagree. If I was to take a guess, why he does that, I will probably say that his childhood was really traumatic. I don't necessarily mean torture. It could be that he was picked upon in school by other kids, or did not have many friends, or some other thing like that. So, basically rather than getting angry at Mr Patel, we should pity him. Although, we should be angry at the publication, which allows this sort of shit be published. Mint bears more responsibility for inflicting this whacko on us, than the whacko himself.

Posted On 8/15/2009 2:42:31 PM
neha Said:


One of my history teacher said the same thing about ten years back. ... And i thought she had lost it. Because you have not had your freedom taken away from you, simply by virtue of your nationality, you think infrastructure is an adequate reason to barter your freedom away. You are writing this article, have right to criticize the government, rant against its inaptitude all beacause you are free. You can walk into any hotel, take the public transport, can choose any career all beacuse you are free ... you are free to walk, talk, be educated, write, criticize, go anywhere, do anything because you are free.... The system is faulty, no doubt there. but replacing it with servitude is hardly going to help matters ... and what great bristish justice system are you talking about - the one that hanged indians for demanding what was their birthright i wish i was more articulate but i honestly cannot understand how a columnist in one of the leading newspapers of the country argue that freedom is dispensible .... and that too on independence day ... maybe you should try a day of imprisonment before becoming its champion

Posted On 8/15/2009 3:36:46 PM
Sum Said:


An article born out of frustration - like all the authors previous articles. The number of those who agree shows that we are all not willing to actually take responsibility for what is happening around us and are still looking for excuses. All the Indian blogs - inevitably I see is the same emotion. What makes my heart sink is articles like this and the comment Rahul Bajaj made today that the only true Indian brand is the IIT. IMHO, we need a new kind of revolution led by a intelligent mature community that is able to admit to owning the problems that exist regardless of who created them and gets consistent, collected and consolidated support from doers.

Posted On 8/15/2009 6:08:23 PM
ashok Said:


One can picture Aakar Patel writing this column while having his Sunday brunch at the J.W. Marriott, choosing to recover the cost of his meal by consuming nothing else except his favourite Grey Goose vodka.

Posted On 8/15/2009 6:47:36 PM
Amar Said:


This article is just another proof how some section of our society is still submissive to white skin. Author should understand that whatever development British did was just for their own interests. They ruled India almost for 150 years but could not develope whole India but only pockets of their interests.This has always remained favorite topic of so called "elites".I think what these so called "only smart" people should do is get into civic services and serve Indian populace rather than sit back in chair and write such articles.

Posted On 8/15/2009 8:54:01 PM
Abhishek Said:


of course..the article makes perfect sense.. slavery is the solution to all our problems..

Posted On 8/16/2009 12:15:52 AM
Krishnan Said:


Mr. Patel is right perhaps in thinking that our country might have functioned better under a foreign government. Today's Indian Republic is only the successor of what essentially is British ruling institutions - our parliamentary system, our armed forces, our civil service, our police force - all are essentially British ideas. These were created with the intent of ruling our diverse country. Can we give them up? No. But does it mean that we should give up our self-respect to people who basically exploited our land for their own benefit? I don't think so. The only difference between pre- and post-independence India is that we can finally say WE, as opposed to anyone else, is in-charge of our affairs. It means a lot to some people; not much to others.

Posted On 8/16/2009 12:41:19 AM
Krishnan Said:


Aakar I guess you were trying to cause an itch by writing such an inflammatory, but hypocritic article. You blatantly trust Indian justice enough to be able to write this article freely. If not, LiveMINT wouldn't publish it in the first place. Indian culture is 3000 years old - that is until an older relic is found - there is already talk of a Mehrgarh civilisation as opposed to an Indus valley civilsation. Aryan Migration Theory is hotly disputed among all interested anthropologists and scholars today. Indians have enough sense to not destroy what good the British left us. Many others (british themselves) don;t do the same. British is a monarchy - an antique form of government which even half their population don;t really want. We are a democracy, and an example to the world. Max Mueller offered us the Aryan theory. He also inspired Hitler. By suppporting his ideas, you clearly endorse Nazism, and by extension, anti-semitism. Where are the Jews? It made sense for the British to develop Hong Kong - they were not allowed to touch China otherwise. Hong Kong was a drug depot; thankfully not Bombay. And why not feel proud to belong to a culture which the Europeans themselves admit is older than theirs by a good two millenia? The people who get inflammed by your article are stupid. This article is a waste of time.

Posted On 8/16/2009 1:07:56 AM
Sanket Said:


Sometimes, I don't understand why Mr.Aakar Patel says such illogical things. Some people have the habit of seeking attention and can do outrageous things to achieve the same. When British left India in 1947, India's per-capita GDP was below sub-Saharan Africa. Today it's higher. Yes, Hong Kong, which remained under British rule till 1999, is better than Mumbai. But Singapore, which attained independence in 1963, is better off than Hong Kong. I would advise Mr. Patel to read some history and economics

Posted On 8/16/2009 2:11:53 AM
Sanket Said:


Mr.Patel, I want to ask you three questions: 1- What was the economic growth during the British Rule (1857-1947)? How does it compare to our post-independence economic growth? 2- What was the level of malnutrition in 1900, 1947, and 2009? If yopu have read Amartya Sen's work, famine is an indicator of malnutrition and pervasive malnutrition facilitates famine deaths? 3- What was the infant mortality rate in 1900, 1947, and 2009? If you compare stats, you will see independent India has progressed faster than British-ruled India.

Posted On 8/16/2009 2:25:56 AM
ZZZZ Said:


I've always been a big fan of Aakar's articles. He is indeed an astute social & cultural observer. I think he gives us a lot of fodder to chew on, while making us aware of our short-comings - something we conveniently sweep under the carpet.

Posted On 8/16/2009 3:15:58 AM
Chetan Said:


part 1 : This article is a farce. A mockery of our sovereignity. if britishers wud have continued fr another 6 decades thn the only city to benefit wud have been london and not mumbai or delhi. Only development they ever did was fr thr own benefit and nt for the masses. @ mumbai sea link: we may have some shortcomings in our construction but we still produce the best engineers in the world. You very conveniently left out the success of Delhi metro as a mention in your article. which is being constructed in record schedule with lesser accident risk than it took to built to london tube. we may still be struggling with the original designs in our infrastructural development but we are learning. we are doing it to help indian population at large! @ terror attack: london also had its tryst with terror. which system or process prevented that? and what was thr response? racial attacks? suspicion? @ traffic: yeah they could have managed traffic well cos i dont think thr wud have been many middle class indians allowed to own a 4-wheeler... @ cities: true whatever they built was magnificent bur we built chandigarh too... gurgaon hyderabad bangalore must be infrastructural goof up due to lack of planning but we are learning from our mistakes. we did make a start. and how much of what they built was used by indians at that time? they built cities for them to live. we may have built cities without that much planning and we managed to maintain buildings they constructed. @ arrest of politicians: gandhi nehru got arrested as a symbolic protest of the british rule for the indian masses. they got arrested to create a stir among the indians to throw off british raj. we don want somebody to get arrested and plan a civil war now?? continued...

Posted On 8/16/2009 5:17:39 AM
Chetan Said:


Part 2: @ education and knowledge: all the knowldege of our history they provided us with was nt cos we din care but cos we were not free enough to explore ourselves... we were suppressed. god knows whatever they taught was even true completely. imagine our history in the hands of a firang! how much could they have manipulated it... if it werent for them... we wud have somehow figured it all out by ourselves. becasue, if i may say, we did not stop exploring about our history after 1947. @ max mueller upanishad: vivekanand did use the translated upanishad to lecture america but greatness of india is that a firang max mueller learned indian languages to actually translate our indian works of literature. @ illitercay to superiority: if we feel superior then its cos we have all the right to be. we felt superior all along, britishers just united and we voiced our united opinion. @ freedom of speech: raj thackerey can still do all the north india bashing and still get away scot free and you r talking about lack of freedom of speech?? @ migration: i feel proud that of all people running NASA/kellogs/MIT/microsoft/google etc have a major chunk of indian great minds. we produce the best engineers and doctors and now managers. we run world's IT industry. we understand and speak there languages better and cost less to take away the BPO business. now these britishers are crying foul and protesting cos they r going hungry. the reversed britsh raj!! @ malnutrition: people died of malnutrition back then they r dying even still... at least now the government cares and is trying. lagaan nahi dekhi kya :D at least now if thr is a calamity, govt relaxes the tax collection. @ doordarshan toilet ad: villagers were always told and keep on being told they can built toilets though radio, newspaper, NGO's etc..., its just that u came to know abt it when u saw an ad on TV. u missed the point that the reason of such Tv ads is that now most indian villages have access to TV!!!! end

Posted On 8/16/2009 5:19:01 AM
Chetan Said:


so my point is that we are catching up with the world, and the least we need is somebody pulling us down like this. we need positivity and support of all our fellow countrymen. criticism invited but we dont neet to be told that we failed as a democray... we r still the largest demcocracy in the world and we managed 6 decades with it. we'll make it. wait for it.

Posted On 8/16/2009 5:22:21 AM
Venu Said:


I am terribly shocked and amazed at the heights of ignorance and idiocy displayed by the writer of the article. He claims everything (read knowledge) to us was granted by the English during their 200 years of oppression. Let's take the current situation of Britain for a minute into perspective, despite being the masters of globalization they have miserably failed as a nation and face a severe downturn in the current wave of global financial turmoil. India is in a much poised position owing to the administration of RBI and related. However, India definitely has it's bag of + and -; but that should not deem us to be servile to any other country/culture. Where is the self-reliance gone? Remember, Mr. Writer, had our ancestors not felt the oppression under British we probably would have been in the state you desire. But I am glad at least those generations wanted their next generations to have the freedom of thought and action pursued although they didn't quite fully enjoy it themselves. Otherwise, you would have been singing paeans in some English office for few more shillings. India as a country has always had the diversity as it's strength and weakness to overcome. The beauty of India today is we have a large population serving as a huge market for any business, and also a constraint for any uniform progress all across! But wait a minute, that's the job of problem solvers to take these aspects into consideration for both global and local optimizations as applicable. I would recommend the writer to read the current issues of Financial news to understand how the center of financial power is changing from west to east and how China and India have the potential to shape the world economies. I plead the readers to look ahead towards the future to bring self reliance into pure play for bringing the next huge wave of coveted development to India.

Posted On 8/16/2009 8:02:52 AM
Mihir Said:


I agree that today we as a nation are bearing bad governance, but had the British continued to rule us, they would have continued to make us slaves (which Aakar would love to suck up to his British bosses), loot our country of its wealth (remember the Mughal jewellery / thrones / etc that they took away), mistreat our women, etc. So please think before you write something so slanderous. Kindly value your freedom, our freedom! It is extremely easy to sit in the comforts of your A/C office and write articles that discredit the work our great freedom fighters have done, but what are you as a citizen doing to change it? Join politics, work with an NGO, do some work at the grass root level. Or just flee India... I understand the views expressed here are solely your own, but this is a classic example of 'the grass is greener on the other side'. Right now you feel that pre-Independence era was an era to 'be in'. So think about it. Cheers!

Posted On 8/16/2009 10:18:12 AM
naresh Said:


its purely one sided thought the author has expressed.and the solution he has given is not solution at all.to see how indians are good, look at our neighbourhood, look at gulf countries..look at dubai, look at abudhabi, bahrain...who built these cities, its not just the labour who work there, by a good number of people are there in higher echelons who are involved with the govt in building the city, planning the city and executing it.we too can do it here but for all the red tapism and corruption that goes on here. just think if indians can build cities in gulf, y not in india too??dont just take up indian bashing for anything and everything..its the easiest thing to do. try to think out of the box and find a solution to it.

Posted On 8/16/2009 10:52:31 AM
Re: Justin Said:


If Indian can build in gulf, why not in India ? They do things with good planning and spend enough money and see that the money is utilized and not going to anyones pockets. Here if the government gives Rs. 1000 crores and only Rs. 200 crores will be spent and the remaining will be shared among politicians, contractors, engineers, etc. Can they even make a good road. The highway roads have lots of gattaas. The roads leading to railway stations are not wide enough. There is not enough traffic but still there will traffic jam. The building made by India won't last well for even 10 years and permission is given to built them anywhere without even seeing if it is fit for residents. This country would really have been great if it was under British Rule.

Posted On 8/16/2009 1:42:32 PM
Sagar Said:


You talk about not having freedom of speech in India, if you didnt then you would not write this article or you would have been beheaded for writing such an article about the country, am sure you have a cushy job which gives u the liberty to actually go ahead and criticize rather than actually do anything about the situation you are witnessing around you. Your and my ancestors actually did decide to do something the oppression the Brits gave us and that is why you have this freedom to speak your mind, free press wasnt around during the british raj. Do not forget "Be the change that you wish to see" is not just a line from a movie. You wish to live under the British control please go ahead and apply to live there, luckily you dont have to apply to live in a free india.

Posted On 8/16/2009 12:49:57 PM
Puneet Said:


Dear Aakar, Even though your point about mindlessness and immature governance in India is well taken but I strongly disagree when you use the line "the British left six decades too early". I am telling this to you in the politest manner that it is bloody offensive. The presence of British would not have changed any thing, if you know history then you must know that India was the oldest and most advanced civilization. What ever advancement Britishers introduced (railways etc.) did it just to plunder more out of our country. They never came here to teach about betterment of life or never came to share their engineering advancements & designs. You know your insight about India and how Britishers contributed in civilization of India totally goes to show that the British bastards were somehow successful in the propaganda they devised to poison our minds. If we were still under the Britishers then “Gandhi” would not have been called the father of the nation & “Bhagat Singh” would have been a synonym for dangerous terrorist. And all the mumbo jumbo about “Growing up in Surat, the only books I had access to were in Andrews Library, built in 1850. This is because Gujaratis, a mercantile people influenced by Jains, have no use for literature. The British stuffed it down our throats like medicine, educating the first reformers” is so baseless. They taught us what they wanted us to learn, “Propaganda education”. Please know your history before writing such offensive blogs. What u r saying makes you sound like a cheap prostitute who would desert her poor husband & sleep with someone rich for a good life and wealth. I am sorry if it sounds offensive but my point is I would rather live in free country where "a driver drives in the opposite direction Goes around a signal, then travels an extra 1.2km before returning to the exact spot where he exited the bridge, but this time facing the right direction" then in a British colony where "Dogs & Indians" are not allowed to enter in a r

Posted On 8/16/2009 2:33:48 PM
Re: Apple Said:


Well said. Could not have put it better myself.

Posted On 9/9/2009 11:08:13 PM
deepti Said:


it is sad that mr patel thinks this... Indians should now think of being more self reliant and confident then lamenting about it.. As far as comparisons between US and UK and present India is concerned , we should not forget 2 things...we got independence just 62 years back and we are a democracy with increasing population....and no Indian conscious... This article reeks of low self confidence and disrespect of our system.. It is easy to sit and criticise but difficult to get up and be the change you want to see...

Posted On 8/16/2009 2:51:30 PM
Laxman Said:


RESPECTED EDITOR IN CHIEF, A FARMER ON A FOOT STEP TO EXPOSE INDIAN DIPLOMACY WITH INDIVIDUAL POWER OF KNOWLEDGE AND CHARACTER TO CREAT A PICTURE OF CONFIDENT NATION READY TO ENGAGE WITH GLOBAL WORLD. PRESS AND MEDIA CANNOT SPEED UP WITHOUT EXPOSING THIS REVOLUTIONARY NEWS BECAUSE STANDARD TIME OF WORLD GLOBE COMMUNICATION WILL TAKE STOP WITH US ALPHABATE PLATE OF WORLD GLOBE COMMUNICATION WHICH OPERATED BY ISRO AND NASA WILL BE UNDER POSITION BY US WITH POWER OF “RAJYOGA MEDITATION”. IT IS GROWTHING TRUTH OF INDIAN NATIONALISM. FOLLOW TO MORAL TO BEING A BEST CITIZEN OF THIS NATION READY TO FRONTLINE SACRIFICE FOR NATION TO REDESIGNE INDIAN NATIONAL INTEGRATION. PRESS AND MEDIA IS CALLING A PATRIOT PERSONALITY TIME TO TIME TO UPLIFT PAIN OF NATIONAL SICKNESS BUT NO ONE IS SO MUCH QUALIFIED TO PUT OUT MEANLESS DIPLOMACY WITH BLOODLESS REVOLUTION. WE CAN`T BUILT A BATTER NATION WITHOUT CHANGING OUR POLITICAL CHARACTER AND CONSTITUTION OF NATION. ONE QUESTION: - ARE YOU INDIAN CITIZEN …? EXPRESS INDIAN CONSTITUTION IN SO LITTLE WORD THAT ALL NATION WOULD BE INSPIRE TO FOLLOW NATIONALISM WITH GREAT AND CLEAR DESTINATION HOW MUCH FAT OF TRUTH YOU HAVE IN CONSTITUTIONAL MONOGRAPH TO EXPOSE THIS TRUTH? ….WITH HOPE OF KIND REPLY... RAJPUROHIT LAXMAN

Posted On 8/16/2009 3:42:19 PM
Qwerty Said:


Okay, so here's what I gather from the article. We Indians were born an uncivil and mindless lot, and just as the British were slowly getting us out of the rut and setting us on course for socio-cultural emancipation, we stubborn people stamped our feet down and pushed them out of our filthy homes. Bottomline: we passed on a golden chance to educate, develop and groom ourselves at their expense. To me, this comes across as nothing but petty opportunism -- the desire to get things done at someone else's expense -- that often breeds a perverse sort of obsequity quite evident in a segment of public opinion (including this article) today. I agree we are in a bit of a mess 60 years after Independence, but I would still take pride in claiming this state of confusion as our own than sulking about how we could have been better off had the greater empire suddenly -- and much to our dislike -- not washed its hands off us. At the end of the day, such hopeless sycophancy only adds more insult to the injury that we nurse as a nation today.

Posted On 8/16/2009 4:21:16 PM
Sarbajit Said:


It is an excellent article. I totally agree with Mr Patel. Instead of projecting the British as evil, as done by India's propagandistic educational system, we must admit that the British rule had both positive and negative effects on our country. The British rulers were no saints, but they were certainly not devils. If the British had not come to India, we would have no railways, no western education, no modern medicine. We should analyse why independent India is not free. India has been devastated by Nehruvian socialism since 1947. Even after economic liberalization, socialism continues to rule India. The state is still all powerful in the economic and educational sectors. Freedom does not mean giving state power from the whites to the "blacks". Those who're proud of independent India should consider whether Indians have freedom in independent India. The answer is a pathetic no. The socialist government has slaughtered individual freedom of Indians. According to Index of Economic Freedom of 2001 prepared by The Heritage Foundation, one of the most prominent think tanks in the United States, India is considered "substantially unfree", even "communist" China is rated better than "free" India. According to the 2009 Index of Economic Freedom of The Heritage Foundation, India still lacks any strong economic institution and "foreign investment is overly regulated". A society cannot be free when the government declares itself the guardian of the people. Being a classical liberal, my definition of freedom is different from the socialist definition of freedom. Indian government has monopoly in economy and pervasive interference in the private life of citizens. Main problem in India's inefficiency is socialist-oriented economy. Unless free market capitalism is established in India, it'll never be free. A longer British rule would have been able to curb the socialist menace which is prevalent in independent India. One must have to be open minded to understand this logic.

Posted On 8/16/2009 5:18:38 PM
Sam Said:


Good article!

Posted On 8/16/2009 5:38:47 PM
Sanjay Said:


It is easy to do post-facto analysis. The writer of this article sees the solution in the past. Rather he should be looking at the future. People who agree with this article are ones who always regret what they did. They go back and check I should have done this and done that. They are pessimistic about future and optimistic about past. These people will live in the past. Forever and ever. And cry and sob. All their life. Just quoting a few foreign scholars who worked in India is not enough. Has the writer read all the local literature? All those who agree with this article should be massacred in Jalianwala Bagh. It is easy for today's generation to just see what Britishers did. This generation lacks sensitivity to understand history. The writer of this article seems to prove it.

Posted On 8/16/2009 7:37:01 PM
amu Said:


Very nice article. And very true. Our country is a mess, half the people don't have water, food, education, electricity, but we must still wave flags on independence day. waaah waaah. what a bunch of hypocrites we are. We cant keep our streets clean, we cant stop men at letching at women, we cant stop people shitting on the roads. But no, we are a great country! Lets make a list of all the great institutions this nation has built, or maintained post independence, which are open to public such as libraries, parks, decent cities, etc. You can hardly count beyond ten. Whatever was built at the time of the British, has been left to go to ruin, in typical sarkari style, covered in paan spit. Live in any Indian city long enough (i have lived in india all my life) and its enough to drive you to insanity, and make you lose your health. In mumbai, you can get asthama from the pollution, the traffic problems just keep increasing day by day, as does the filth. And the best part is, mumbaikars are oblivious to this, they think its fine to live this sub-human way. Quality of life in India sucks. And people who think otherwise, are either super-rich and can afford the best of everything, or are fooling themselves. After thousands of years our great caste system is more entrenched than ever. Probably more than it was under the British. If we thought the British were cruel rulers, our politicians are no less. They take corruption, disorder and communal disharmony to new heights. I am yet to meet an Indian, who feels 'Indian', we are all obsessed with being Bengali, Tamil, Kashmiri, Gujju, you name it. We cant move out of our own small communities. We spend crores on gold plated temples, but wont think of sponsoring education, providing water systems or any real beneficial act. We drive in honda cities, only to open the door and spit a streak of disgusting, stinky red paan onto the road, with least concern of whos passing by. Oh yeah, we are a great nation.

Posted On 8/16/2009 7:45:08 PM
Sumantra Said:


Absolutely...hands down...is there any doubt about it? And I am just not being a hypocritical and politically correct man, am just speaking with all my freedom...am quite disillusioned... I know I'll be termed an elitist by many, one having a collonial legacy, and all...but doesn't matter...our freedom, that gained by actual patriotic men, people who I still respect, compels me to say, that all their fight is wasted..I can pull up a thousand on that! Healthcare was good, police, security, disciplined and efficient, judiciary impartial, credits were given on talent, be it Indian or european, and not on background, education good, ideologically strong, freedom of speech, good, if not very strong for the Indians, at least liberal, democratic, and not hypocritical, if you remember, the first newspapers coming out for indians, were by derozio, and annie besant...both europeans...ah, I'll go on and on! Just as the Brits, have taken many things for us, they have given many things too...as I said, we didn't deserve the freedom fighters, cause we wasted them, we are not simply not worthy..had it not been for the Britishers, and other westerners, we would probably not been chatting here in FB, in English, and some one would have been burning in some Sati pyre, now...but then that's just my opinion...a bit cynical though, nonetheless...where there are politicians like, The hilariously inept Maya and Mamta, Rabble rousing and hopeless Left and other 3rd front groupies, senile and cowardly Cong, and most importantly, every country needs a party of religious bigots, the Jamaat e Ulemay Hind, and the BJP, which is fighting to take away power from the hands of Advani, and give it to the sprightly young Narendra Modi, who is 60 up years of age...(they define young differently here in India...) Am quite disillusioned, I must say...

Posted On 8/16/2009 7:55:34 PM
Captain Said:


I wish my grandmother was alive today so that I could read Mr. Patel's article to her. It would have certainly gladdened her heart. On the 20th anniversary of Indian independence, she had said, " You call this Swarajya? It is Satyanash of Hindustan." And the points she made were similar to Mr. Aakar Patel's. She died at the age of 101, and knew what she was talking about. Pride in nationalism is a good thing. Honesty in accepting our faults is better, but the best thing would be to cease dishing out sanctimonious lectures and do something constructive. People who tried to do that but failed moved to other countries where their efforts at improving quality of life of fellow humans were accepted. There was a system to back up social institutions and administrative machinery to sustain infrastructure and commitment where their contribution was respected. I recall Dr. Hargobind Khorana, the US Nobel Laureate who was told by Indian bureaucrats upon his wish to do research in his motherland, "Do not make India your guinea pig." The British, in spite of their faults enforced good governance. Mrs. Indira Gandhi did that during Emergency, and lo and behold, trains were running on time, people turned up at work on time, the corrupt were sent to jail and people were afraid to do anything wrong. What does that tell you? Independence without self-discipline and sense of responsibility is a mockery. National pride? Economy is destroyed by our own people who bring in billions of rupees worth of fake currency from neighbouring country. That is national pride for you. Mr. Patel has made just a small, modest effort at highlighting the ills India is suffering from. I think he has national interest closest to his heart as all the others in the pack who are baying for his blood.

Posted On 8/16/2009 8:49:07 PM
saurabh Said:


aakar, just curious to know, whats the link between max mullers translations and Vivekananda's learning and his subsequent speeches. i agree and disagree at the same time with what you suggest here. the rich oral and literary traditions dont owe anything to the west. It was a revelation for the west not the other way around. but yes neither can the influences you quote of can be ignored.

Posted On 8/16/2009 11:54:02 PM
Shakti Said:


Growing up in the late 1950's and early 60's, it is amusing to read this piece. This India is so completely different, overwhemingly for the better. When was the last famine we had - none in free India. The 1966-67 drought was horrible but in terms of death toll, not a patch on the 1943 famine which killed millions despite a bumper crop. Doesn't saving millions of poor from dying count for anything? How many schools, hospitals and colleges did the English leave behind?

Posted On 8/17/2009 11:50:37 AM
sundeep Said:


Congratulation Mr Patel for saying how it is, i am dismayed at the state of affairs today especially when you have been travelling to developed parts of the world and therefore are equipped with comparison. I have also read the comments you have been getting and i think some of them have touched a nerve with people and rightly so since they continue to stay in denial. Having said that, I dont think us being a colony is the solution any self-respecting Indian will accept. What could have been? I don't know but the fact is that self respect and yearning for freedom would get in the way of mere infra and social development. The trade-off could have gone either way, you are depending on statistics but who is to say how it would turn out. In conclusion, I think that our frustration is absolutely justified and we are well within that realm to make certain harsh statements which we may not follow up on.

Posted On 8/17/2009 5:04:31 PM
Coitist Said:


Is it just me, or is the whole of Aakar's article written with his tongue firmly in his cheek? It seems that the speaker in this article is in fact a persona invented for this individual piece, and I'm sure each of us has at least one friend or acquaintance who has spoken words to this effect. The speaker (not necessarily Aakar) is one of those 'aware' Indians who condemn corruption but quietly slip a 50 into a havaldar's palm at traffic signals; he is one of those 'educated' Indians who diss our obscurantist and archaic practices but feel threatened by equality of the sexes; most importantly, he reflects that part of us all that has at some point or the other cursed the system as if we're not part of it or personally responsible for the way it has turned out. How many of us complain of how dirty our city is and yet quietly allow a wrapper or plastic bag to 'slip' from our fingers and 'fall' out of the bus or train? The one-sidedness of this article is a tribute to all those 'modern' westernized Indians who secretly loathe themselves for being Indian. It is an insight into our own myopia and the severe loss of self-esteem we suffer from. My only problem with this article is that, since it was meant to provoke, it could've hit harder. These points were too superficial. The West told us about itself because it erased our memories and our languages first to leave us illiterate by their standards; the judicial scales were always unequivocally in favour of White defendants; corruption is as rife in the US as it is here, the traffic is worse and the US currently leads the list of nations contributing to global warming. A recent survey showed that Britons are so lazy they're unwilling to change the channel manually if the remote control isn't working, and will watch channels/programs they don't want to. This article is too diluted and risks more misunderstandings than anything else.

Posted On 8/17/2009 7:20:14 PM
n Said:


good article very thought provoking u may hv been too blunt for the "indian pride" but don't think u r wrong either

Posted On 8/18/2009 3:37:53 PM
Shahnawaz Said:


It is a testament to British rule that it has created slavish people who lack any confidence in self-rule. The Raj is best compared to the caging of a bird for so long that it almost forgets to fly -- and even after six decades it is still trying to do so.

Posted On 8/18/2009 9:25:29 PM
jetlag Said:


You should all read aakar's anti India outpourings in the pakistani press. Unlucky for us that he lives in India. The jehadis have a nice way of taking care of such people.

Posted On 8/19/2009 1:15:04 AM
Rastogi Said:


HAHA Very funny article. I had loads to say too. But if it was not for freedom of speech, some of the people with comments above would have murdered the author by now. :)

Posted On 8/19/2009 8:03:35 AM
narayan Said:


Well said. Glad that you have said what I believe to be true. Isn't it interesting that Gandhi and Nehru were educated abroad? I wonder how many of our leaders in the independence movement were educated or had traveled abroad?

Posted On 8/19/2009 8:33:01 AM
vasudev Said:


very well said. indians have a penchant to dream but they do not know how to execute. even required facilities like bridges etc are big dreams for them which they execute poorly. and why not when one considers that there is no sincerity in the execution. everything is left to the whims and facies of politicians who forget that the airport flyover was a necessity which couldn't wait for some dirty tainted fingers to make the snip. shiv sena taught indians a good lesson there. likewise the worli sea-link. true the britishers did loot india of a few jewels etc. that is because they are connoisuers. the germans looted italy and all such places of all the costly paintings and jewels. that does not make the germans poor human beings. indians harp on the britishers negativity but conveniently forget that hardly anything has happened in railway modernisation to add to what the britishers had put in place already. similarly for roads and bridges, waterways, and city developments. the only good thing that happened was mass communication facilities (a very good thing). otherwise everything else is a legacy. mr. patel's articles have very correctly pointed out a lot of truths.

Posted On 8/20/2009 11:00:58 AM
Aditi Said:


I think this is not true ...infact a typical "Indian" attitude of " I dont want to do anything myself, could someone please do it for me??" Are you serious? The Western countries have been FREE for hundreds and hundreds of years, we have been free for barely 62..we should have some self confidence and give ourselves a chance rather than belittling ourselves! Only once a societ crosses into a certain level of prosperity can they thibk of things past basic sustainance, like architecture, education etc.

Posted On 8/21/2009 1:47:18 PM
shobhana Said:


It is a little embarrassing to agree with you, but fact remains.there is no use talking about Englishman's atrocities.developments in India was not for his use alone.We have also benefited from all that.as far as rules and regulations go the less said the better.atleast they were foreigners and so denied us justice.Is it any better now with our own babus sitting in judgement.look at the number of under trials in our jails and you will know whats happening here.So please do keep tearing us apart so that in the long run youngsters will start waking up and forget going to USA or UK and do something substantial here in our country.

Posted On 8/22/2009 7:56:26 PM
Amit Said:


Initially , I thought this article would be a satire , BUT , this guy is for real !! He really believes in what he is saying !! I suppose he should try crawling on all fours like Indians were made to in Amritsar after the Jallianwala Massacre or try to pay the taxes that the British Demanded or better still offer himself for free slave labour at the Buckingham Palace !! Incredible Guy , I tell you !!

Posted On 8/22/2009 9:20:55 PM
Rony Said:


100% agree with the article. I am actually very pleased to see such apt journalism in India. My kudos to Live Mint for providing the platform for such journalism. This is time we, Indians, start rethinking our history with a pinch of facts. We are often too consumed in our own pride to do a fare assessment, especially about sensitive matters such as the state of our democracy. I have moved to the US 5 years back. Without my US experience it would have been difficult to comprehend this article. And reading some of the negative comments, I can also see how some people may not appreciate the arguments. However, this is time for at least the educated folks to stand up. There are many of us.

Posted On 8/23/2009 9:23:30 AM
Revti Said:


What utter poppycock to say we would be better off as slaves.This article is nothing but sensationalism at work.To give some instances of corruption, or incompetence and from them deduce a totally dismal picture is the hallmark of self deprecating turds who refuse to see anything of worth happening around them. Just ignore them and devote time to doing something positive.

Posted On 8/24/2009 10:18:02 AM
Apurva Said:


well you have written this article like an amature writer... The irony is that your article symbolises whats wrong with us Indians... we want to blame things on what would have been .. if this was this that was that... rather than focusing our attention on the bigger picture and takin some action , doing something about what we all feel is wrong... i strongly feel that we indians need antother independence movement.. freedom from corruption.. freedom from dirty politics.. freedom from hatered ...and most of all freedom from our own in- action -- our chalta hai attitude.. will we stand up to it... will I stand up to it.. is the question we must ask..

Posted On 8/29/2009 10:54:23 PM
Aparna Said:


I appreciate the valor in you to say such a statement(read:freedom of press) because its 60 years since Independence it can be done! I partly agree and disagree with you. Few points to notice would be pre-Independence India was RICH! No wonder British wanted to loot from us. Fact it what ever they took they gave back 10%! Next is the fact that India is diverse, it cannot be managed as Britian is or Hong Kong is. And India is still experiencing(learning) just like other countries. Fact is other countries might have made mistake its just its not NOW!

Posted On 9/10/2009 11:37:45 AM
Vishal Said:


I agree with your views. Not all that the British did was right, but when it came to organization, infrastructure and execution, we are still miles behind the developed world. As a NRI, who visits India frequently, it pains to see that precious little is being done even today in a planned way to elevate the standards of our cities and even less for our towns and villages. Its easy to blame the Government or the politicians for this, when actually the blame lies with all of us. How is it that the Indian who travels to a country like Singapore, throw his trash in the waste-bin and keep on dirtying the streets of his hometown? Its all in the mind and all that mind knows is shaped by education and society. Time is ripe that we teach our children how to be responsible. Maybe, 60 years from now the British would look up to us and seek guidance on organization, infrastructure and execution.

Posted On 9/10/2009 8:13:23 PM
Mateen Said:


I disagree with the views mentioned in the article. A child takes many years to understand who he or she is. Then he or she moulds as per his strengths, dreams and ambitions. India is a country of billion people ruled over 1000 years by foreigners and is just 60 old as a independent country, it will take time to grow. Coming out of the shadows of elderly (read rulers) who have hampered our intellectual thinking and curiosity and make independent decisions will take time. The good news is this young kid (India) is blessed with good company of people and resources which will trigger the growth. Lineages for any organization or a country don't matter (5000 year country crap), what matters is what this generation has achieved and impact it made in the ecosystem. The young kid took bold measures to bring economic and social liberalization which would be to lift 300 million from poverty and improve per capita income. Look at the efforts of this kid across fields - science and technology, across 'de-regulated' industries in last two decades. The author was critical about the exit but he forgot to appreciate the Bandra-Worli effort by a crippling government. What he forgot was the kid was able to put these structures without the help of any 'British Mumbo Jumbo'. It might have problems, but its our own. Remember the excitement and confidence you gained when you made the first castle or bridge as a child. There are tens of them already build across cities and hundreds planned. India did not have linear growth in last few decades, a 6% cumulative growth on $ 200 B economy then for two decades, no other democratic nation has ever achieved this in human history. The social and economic problem this kid faces are its own. It doesn't need aunt Elizabeth to tell how to solve its problems. Like every person, organization and country which is growing in to teens, this kid will also figure out how to solve its problems. The path kid the chosen is paved with thorns but taking

Posted On 9/23/2009 10:15:09 AM
suneera Said:


Patel says if you were under the British, they would have saved you. Swamy's (R.K.Narayanan, Swamy and his frieds) teacher said (to the effect that) if you were Christians, Jesus would have saved you. I have heard, in numerous instances, recent converts praising the British and condemning the Indian rulers, ancient and modern. Though I can't read Malayalam, a friend of mine said there appears a coulum by a recent convert, an advocate-I forgot the name, in Mathrubhumi, a Kerala daily that has good readership in North Kerala, second only to Deshabhimani the CPI's news paper, which deals with heritage of Kerala/North Kerala. In that column this writer succintly putforth the idea, very cunningly that every thing British was good, and everything of the land was barbaric and useless. I have a feeling that this attitude of praising the british for thei rule is a balancing act the recent converts' mind arrives at while combating with the loss of 'roots' they feel while dealing with their original religion and the concept of motherland. I pity them.

Posted On 9/24/2009 6:28:56 PM
Abhishek Said:


Surely the British could have done wonders to this country....But what incentive did they have to do so? Why would anyone want to work for the development of a colony when their sole objective is to exploit the native resources and quit. Like somebody mentioned earlier, whatever development they did in India was to ensure efficient utilization of the existing resources so that they can extract maximum revenue out of this country. And how can we forget the sheer humiliation and embarrassment that we Indians had to face in our own country at the hands of these foreigners....Guys whoever is vouching for Mr.Aakar, shame on you....Do you really think that our great freedom fighters lost their lives just for the sake of snatching political power..Are you questioning the foresight and decision making ability of some of the greatest intellectuals this country has ever seen....Doesn't matter if we have not achieved technological superiority like some of the western nations, doesn't matter if we couldn't provide adequate health care facilities to our countrymen, doesn't matter if 30% of our population still doesn't know how to write....We should be proud of the fact that we can walk proudly into the soil of our nation, celebrate our festivals, raise our voice freely, cherish our own sachin beating the British in their own game, watch AR win Oscars for our country.....Had the British stayed, I don't think we could have ever hoped to relish all these invaluable things.

Posted On 10/1/2009 12:45:18 PM
jaskooner Said:


provocative but I don't agree with you. the british actually destroyed our civilisation. evry1 has the right to a representative government. the indians have been slaves for so long they have got used to it.now that india is opening up through t...rade all the deadwood will get washed away. either that or china will engulf us. i look forwad to it as it will free us from the yoke of medicocrity. ( i am also refering to the disasterous punjabi government. we got everything we wanted, a democratic representative government and look how awful it is. it just sells us out to the central government and mortgages all our assets for loans that our representaives 'nick')

Posted On 10/7/2009 4:10:42 PM
Niharika Said:


I would like to quote the sub head of another article in this same section! - "The thing with freedom is that you have got to know what to do with it. Idiotic allusions to butterflies and rainbows are not enough!" The only thing wrong with Mr. Patel's ramblings is the fact that he tries to provide a solution to this 'mess'. Even then i tend to agree with (& accept) most of the issues raised by him except his proposed solution. Its like saying, Maharashtra + Influx of people from other states = Problems for the marathi manoos, Therefore Solution = Get rid of everybody else! I think this is at best narrow minded and at worst an attempt to create a controversy.. nothing more.

Posted On 10/12/2009 2:29:26 PM
Shanthanu Said:


On the eve of India’s Independence, Churchill had famously said that India will go into the hands of Rascals and Scoundrels, which was an outrageous and an arrogant statement. But sadly what he said was damn utter truth.

Posted On 11/2/2009 2:52:48 PM
Aditya Said:


I think that the article should be viewed more in the light of its spirit rather than its letter. As Aakar has often pointed out, we as a people jump more on the superficial rather than bothering to actually delve into what someone is really trying to say. The author isn't asking the British to come back or putting down the freedom struggle in any way. Nor is he sucking up to the "white-man"as it has been stated. He trying to expose our apathy and ineptitude as a society and as a nation. We spent a greater part of our independence rejecting the West for how they treated us and refused to use their knowledge of advanced society, infrastructure and nation building which we see and admire whenever we travel around the Western world. He is trying to make it apparent how we as a society never made any strides towards modernization and innovation pre-independence until we were prodded by Western influences. After independence our progress deteriorated again. He is neither asking Britain to come rule us nor is he giving a solution. Sometimes we need someone to expose our flawed sense of self and vague illusions of progress. We as a society need to throw the blinders off and stop looking inward as we have for thousands of years when we weren't a nation but a multitude of countries which could never find peace. The first step is admitting that something is wrong and accepting conflicting opinions. The solution comes later. As a people we refuse to do either.

Posted On 11/2/2009 3:31:51 PM